Poll: What type of metal tone do you prefer?
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View poll results: What type of metal tone do you prefer?
Solid State (Ampeg VH140C, ValveState, Warhead, Crate GX130C etc.)
10 43%
Tube (such as Mesa's Rectifier series, Peavey 6505, Marshall JVM410H, Bogner Ubershall etc.)
13 57%
Voters: 23.
#1
I was just wondering if people had a preference for extreme metal tones. This is because the sound given by solid state amps such as the Ampeg VH140C, Marshall ValveState 8100, Randall Warhead and others is different from that heard from high-gain tube amps such as Mesa Boogie's Rectifier series, the Peavey 6505, the Engl Powerball and so on
#2
Uhm, aren't valve amps better for almost everything? I heard jazz players like SS amps because they stay clean even at high volumes or something, but I don't think that's going to bother most extreme metal guitarists. Well you probably won't need valves if you want to create some old school low-fi black metal sound, but other than that...

As for me, I play extreme metal and I hate SS amps, but my tone will differ much from what another player may prefer, and by genre standards it's pretty conservative.
Last edited by Knarrenheino at Apr 13, 2015,
#3
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Uhm, aren't valve amps better for almost everything?


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#4
I like my extreme metal tone through a $15 pawn shop 8'' with the gain knob rusted stuck in the maximum gain position and a half-torn off mudflap girl sticker on the side and that has been barfed on at least once and smells like cigarettes.
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#5
Typically played through liquid as it reminds me of when I was in the womb and my mother was a groupie for Sadistik Exekution.
#6
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Typically played through liquid as it reminds me of when I was in the womb and my mother was a groupie for Sadistik Exekution.

lmao
#7
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I like my extreme metal tone through a $15 pawn shop 8'' with the gain knob rusted stuck in the maximum gain position and a half-torn off mudflap girl sticker on the side and that has been barfed on at least once and smells like cigarettes.

My 90's JCM900 came out of an Eagles Lodge and made my room smell like smoke for a month. Likely led to my nicotine addiction lol.
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#8
For leads I like the valves. Helps me cut through a bit more, a bit livelier sound.

For rhythm I think SS has a bit more chunkiness, definition and precision. I'd say if you're self-producing home metalhead trying to achieve that boot-to-the-face tone SS is probably more forgiving, but there is something to be said for a properly-tweaked tube.

If I had limited time and money I'd go solid state because the results would probably be better than with a meh valve amp.

If you've got the money for tubes and you want to try out different ones, then by all means go. Don't think a $50 "tube" amp is gonna buy that for ya.

I have gotten a pretty brutal tone out of a little $50 solid state practice amp, though..

Best tone ever? No, but..
#10
I need my amp to punch, and have attack that directly responds to my picking in a natural way. And I want overdrive, not distortion. SS are just clinical, plasticky to me. But again, I fear I'm very conservative there.
#16
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Typically played through liquid as it reminds me of when I was in the womb and my mother was a groupie for Sadistik Exekution.


I bet you got a few black eyes from your moms groupie "activities" **** I hope you weren't a breach birth because that would make the drummer a pedophile and you gay before you were born.
#18
To me, solid state. As big and heavy as tubes sound there is just something to the unreal tightness of a good solid state buzzsaw (something snobs call "angry bees") distortion. It just fits death metal.

Not saying tubes cant do the same. There is a reason why Suffocation moved to Peavey XXX and Engl Fireball.

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#19
My favorite "extreme" metal tone depends entirely on the context of the music. There have been so many tones used that just "work" for the music, I couldn't narrow it down to solid state or valve.

Some of my favorite album tones ever recorded in metal were solid state -- "Slaughter of the Soul" and "The Jester Race" to name a couple.

But then there are some valve tones that are sick too. For my own music, I prefer the warmth and thickness of a valve amp, with a moderate amount of low-end but not too much. I can tell you what I absolutely hate -- cranked mids/no bass, i.e. -- djent tone.

Then there are some albums that sound plain awful, but that awfulness absolutely worked for the album. See Lunar Aurora's "Zyklus" and Ulver's "Nattens Madrigal." Just grating, nasty grimness. Perfect.
#20
Despite the much-maligned "more commercial" style of Carcass' "Swansong" album, I like the guitar sound on that one quite a bit. I shot roughly for that when developing my own sound.

A bit about Bill Steer's sound:

GW: What gear and settings do you guys use to get your tone?
Steer: Just for simplicity, I only use one amp live--a Peavy 5150 with a Marshall Guv'nor pedal in front of it to beef up the overdrive just that little bit extra. In the studio, though, it's a different matter; I use several different amps--a selection of Marshalls and the 5150.
Hickey: One of the amps Bill used on Heartwork was a Marshall 30th Anniversary head that's really fierce, and he also used a tiny Marshall stack on pretty much every track to add some extra high end.

Steer: Yeah, if I remember correctly, almost all of the guitar tracks were done with at least two amps going at once--one of them being a large amp, like the Anniversary [on channel two], a Marshall SL-X 100 watt or the 5150, and then also more often than not, my 10-watt [Marshall] Valvestate micro-stack for extra texture.
Unlike a lot of other bands who do the kind of stuff that we do, we tend to use a lot of mids. I don't think some people realize how important middle is to a guitar sound.
Hickey: Absolutely, mids are essential in a solo--without 'em your tone is real thin. My current backline setup is a Marshall SL-X 100-watt head and a Peavey 5150. I suck the mids out of the Marshall but not out the Peavey. I started the Heartwork world tour using a Guv'nor pedal too, but I just got tired of stage divers stepping on my ****!


I agree with that. I find that mids are important and shoot for as much 2.5k - 4k as I can, generally, in my tone. Also used a 5150 for a long time, although I had to trade it out as I had a kiddo and we were afraid it would fall over and crush the poor guy! (Probably right about that assessment)

High end is shredded to Hell, and the low end is just enough to carry the growl, but conservative.

Now I just use a modelling amp. Works for my purposes. Note I am not world famous.
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