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...because I enjoy making life choices that make me better than you (all of my choices make me better than you).

Then I started thinking: one of the reasons that porn is considered to be bad is because it objectifies women.

But then what if I fantasise about a girl while I beat the bishop, am I still objectifying women? Am I still reducing them to a sexual object for my own gratification?

Does that mean that we all have to think about dudes when we tickle the tusk? Because lord knows men can't be objectified.

Is it misogynistic to fantasise about women?
#2
It would be misogynistic if you expected a female to perform those acts on you in real life, and we're able to distinguish your fantasies from reality.

My understanding of why people oppose porn on the grounds that it objectifies women is that it creates unrealistic expectations about real sexual encounters and how women should be.

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creates unrealistic expectations about real sexual encounters and how women should be.

Is this not fantasy?
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Is this not fantasy?


Yes, but porn is broadcast in the public domain, your mental images aren't (unless you keep a blog or dream journal online)
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So porn is ok if I can distinguish between fantasy and reality? I'm pretty sure everyone can do that. Like what ****ing planet are you from when you don't know that Breaking Bad isn't happening in your neighbourhood and your old chem teach isn't now a meth lord?
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So porn is ok if I can distinguish between fantasy and reality? I'm pretty sure everyone can do that. Like what ****ing planet are you from when you don't know that Breaking Bad isn't happening in your neighbourhood and your old chem teach isn't now a meth lord?


Depends on the porn. There's a lot of porn out there now that is focused on being more realistic and not degrading, and it's actually pretty neat stuff to watch.

And you'd be surprised, recently a psychologist in Sweden recommended that students in high school be given classes in porn to clarify the difference between fantasy and reality when it comes to sexual behaviour.

Most of us get the birds and bees talk in some form or another, but seeing as there are very few teenage kids out there who would ever admit to their parents that they watch porn, they aren't able to use their parents as a morality compass, and then when they become sexually active and start dating, they may struggle to separate normal (relatively speaking) sexual behaviour with sexual behaviour that happens in porn.
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#7
I heard about that porn in the classroom thing too, though in Denmark in my case.

Those Scandi's are way ahead of the curve.
#8
Porn in and of itself isn't a bad thing and neither is watching it, what is bad about porn is that guys are taking to heart the hyper sexualised porn and it is warping their expectations of reality and what to expect.

Really, real sex is hardly anything like porn or the structure of a typical porn movie. Most porn has a huge focus on the enjoyment of the male and this has led to a generation of guys not knowing that they have to please a woman just as much as she pleases him.
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I heard about that porn in the classroom thing too, though in Denmark in my case.

Those Scandi's are way ahead of the curve.


Maybe I got the country wrong, I did write that whole paragraph off the cuff....

But either way, pretty smart thinking.

And also, this is pretty on point:
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Really, real sex is hardly anything like porn or the structure of a typical porn movie. Most porn has a huge focus on the enjoyment of the male and this has led to a generation of guys not knowing that they have to please a woman just as much as she pleases him.
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Doesn't watching porn regularly also stimulate the same part of your brain as a cocaine addiction would?

^ I get Lyle's point, but i'm not part of that generation of ****wits. I do things based on mutuality and respect and my base understanding of sex was not formed on porn. Porn came later.
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#11
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Doesn't watching porn regularly also stimulate the same part of your brain as a cocaine addiction would?


Not quite, one scientist did liken some people's reactions to porn as "like being on cocaine", but as far as I know, no one has done a study that actually pinpoints that.
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#12
Fantasizing about women isn't misogynistic, it's natural.

Not in the sense that lotsa people do it so it's natural, in the sense that it's in our genes to be aroused by women (for most men at least).

It's misogyny if you don't have regard for their dignity.
So if the porn is very romantic it's a bit less misogynistic.

Or you could stop being a hypocrite and do what you like because you like it instead of trying very hard to prove you're morally better than everybody else just for the sake of it.
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I'd mainly say porn is damaging in teenage relationships for guys/girls and the kinda girls who don't get a girlfriend for a while. They're being indoctrinated to expect a certain structure of stuff during sex. In the case of younger girls, they're going to be harmed by this kinda thing because they're vulnerable and pandering to what the guy expects. In cases of older guys they could go into their first relationship and just be laughed out the door by an older partner because of what they are expecting.

Really though if you're a sensible person you won't expect your sex to be like porn because the first time you actually get up close and personal with a vagina you realise it's gonna be a lot of work and effort to try all that porn shit

However USB, you have to understand that as time goes on more and more guys are getting their first exposure to sex through porn, and not messing about with a girl over summer in her garden. The learning process is all off due to how easily porn is accessed.
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Started watching it and he started talking about how stuff like choking and BDSM were tools of the patriarchy or something. I'm personally not into that shit but who is he to judge? A lot of women enjoy that kind of stuff and engaging in that doesn't enforce male power as long as it is CONSENSUAL.

Agree with porn desensualising sex due to lack of kissing, hand contact etc.
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However USB, you have to understand that as time goes on more and more guys are getting their first exposure to sex through porn, and not messing about with a girl over summer on her trampoline. The learning process is all off due to how easily porn is accessed.


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...because I enjoy making life choices that make me better than you (all of my choices make me better than you).

Then I started thinking: one of the reasons that porn is considered to be bad is because it objectifies women.

But then what if I fantasise about a girl while I beat the bishop, am I still objectifying women? Am I still reducing them to a sexual object for my own gratification?

Does that mean that we all have to think about dudes when we tickle the tusk? Because lord knows men can't be objectified.

Is it misogynistic to fantasise about women?

Be asexual ******

I see at least 4 bbc (look up what that stands for) threads on /b/ a day, it objectifies men too you sexist.

You're also an idiot for comparing cocaine to porn, same part of the brain or not it's not worth mentioning because no one's sold their gold rings to buy a subscription to penthous.

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So porn is ok if I can distinguish between fantasy and reality? I'm pretty sure everyone can do that. Like what ****ing planet are you from when you don't know that Breaking Bad isn't happening in your neighbourhood and your old chem teach isn't now a meth lord?

I live in what's considered the meth capital of the world, more labs are busted in a 100 mile area of me than anywhere in the world.
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#22
Sex isn't even that addictive let alone porn.

Though I'm sure some idiot has traded valuables for a hooker, or in exchange for sex.

I'm an alcoholic so I know addiction.

Sex on cocaine is an entirely different topic though.

I disagree with your decision to skip porn and that it makes you better than people who do, but feel free to think what your want. The thought police can't stop you, not yet anyway.
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#24
My name is Taylor, and I'm a porn addict. Everyone, "Hi Taylor" .
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I have read that the resultant hormone shift associated with ejaculation (and I wish I could cite source, but I'm really not in the mood to log in through my uni account and access medical journals :P ) whilst watching video pornography isn't particularly good in that the human brain is a primitive thing and so it is fooled into thinking that the sexual acts (and the resultant good feeling) were due to the actions in the video.

I also know that there is a generation of males who are now experiencing anorgasmia and other sexual difficulties due to the mental pathways created by porn. Porn has also been logged to anxiety, and body dysmorphia which isn't good either. Ironically, women might actually be able to have more of a good time but the men will find that increasingly their partners are unable to satisfy them in the same way that masturbation to pornography does.

But I should be keen to point out that this ONLY applies to video (or moving) pornography. I think anything drawn is different, and anything static is also different. Humans have always had lewd drawings/sculptings. However the porn revolution and increased ease of access to explicit and in some cases extreme pornography, from the 1990s is new territory. It may emerge eventually that it is harmless but the evidence is, at present, not indicating in that direction.

I'm not going to moralise here because that is not right to do, but I will implore that more people challenge themselves to give it up. It changes the way males view women in ways that they don't really understand...
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What a load of horse shit, my girlfriend sometimes watches porn, I do as well. She doesn't find it weird, and we also have good sex together. A lot of women have nothing against porn.

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#29
Okay, now that I took a nap and it's not 4 am



It's either this or incredibly ****ing stupid.

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Really though if you're a sensible person you won't expect your sex to be like porn because the first time you actually get up close and personal with a vagina you realise it's gonna be a lot of work and effort to try all that porn shit

Up your game.
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#30
I don't even watch much porn and just use pictures and my imagination mostly. If I do watch videos its homemade amateur see stuff. I like to get off on girls who I might actually kinda sorta maybe have a chance with irl. Though I probably have a better shot with most of the moms of the girls I meet so idk.
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just beat your meat, shut up and dont treat women like shit i dont know why this is difficult for some people
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#32
I think porn gives women unrealistic expectations of what to expect.
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#33
I don't feel guilty watching porn since I buy 99% of it these days and generally have a good idea of which studios treat sex workers well. A lot of porn stars direct/produce/etc of lot of their own stuff these days too, so I'm not worried about that part of things.

and lol fantasizing about women is not objectification, and even if it were, it would be the most pure and mutual kind of objectification since women do it too
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I don't feel guilty watching porn since I buy 99% of it these days and generally have a good idea of which studios treat sex workers well. A lot of porn stars direct/produce/etc of lot of their own stuff these days too, so I'm not worried about that part of things.

and lol fantasizing about women is not objectification, and even if it were, it would be the most pure and mutual kind of objectification since women do it too


You must be the only person left in the world who buys porn.
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I don't feel guilty watching porn since I buy 99% of it these days and generally have a good idea of which studios treat sex workers well. A lot of porn stars direct/produce/etc of lot of their own stuff these days too, so I'm not worried about that part of things.

and lol fantasizing about women is not objectification, and even if it were, it would be the most pure and mutual kind of objectification since women do it too

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You must be the only person left in the world who buys porn.

I wonder why one would bother to not pay for the 1%.
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^ piss porn is technically illegal to sell in the US since it gets labeled as obscenity so its hard to find

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You must be the only person left in the world who buys porn.

You have no idea how much the feeling of superiority enhances your orgasms.
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#38
not that i'm above people who watch it cuz i do too but it's pretty naive to think the vague term of objectification is the only thing harmful about porn.
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^ piss porn is technically illegal to sell in the US since it gets labeled as obscenity so its hard to find

Discriminating against certain kinds of porn must be the saddest thing that republicans have done.
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^ piss porn is technically illegal to sell in the US since it gets labeled as obscenity so its hard to find

It's not hard to find. It's a popular category on my main site.
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