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#1
Hi!

I've been thinking about my future and how I'd want to live in about 8-10 years.
I compared prices of houses here, with those in the US and was amazed at how cheap most houses are in the US compared to those here in Belgium.

This house costs about 286,000$, has 4 bedrooms, 1 bathroom, no garage and needs renovating.
It's located in a small town. This is pretty much a typical price for a house like this over here.



But houses in the US are much bigger and cost less.
Utica, NY
4 beds, 2,5 bath, indoor swimming pool.
199,900$


Moberly, MO
5 beds, 4,5 bath, 2 garages, 6 fireplaces and 5,400 sqft!
239,900$ (I showed pictures of this house to a friend that's an architect and recently bought his first house and he estimated the price around 1 million)


These kinds of big houses with those prices even seem to be pretty common in the US so it's not that these are once in a lifetime opportunities.

Now, do I need to live in a huge house like this? No, of course not, I don't think anyone does.
But I don't want to stay here and pay the same amount for something that's much smaller. So if I have the opportunity to move and work in the US, I'll take it!

But is there some kind of catch? I favorited about 40 amazing houses in the US that I saw on Zillow.com and I can't see anything wrong with them. Nice neighbourhoods and most are near a city.

Any advice, comments?
#2
Yeah you can buy a house like that for a couple hundred thousand, of course in a small town you'll be surrounded by drug addicts, religious idiots, and nothing to do within 50-150 miles, but yeah.

If you want to spend 400 a month on rent you can get an appartment.

I think the house I'm living in is 2 bedrooms and cost 30,000 dollars.

If you like keeping to yourself and aren't gun shy you'll fit in any rural area.
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#3
> But is there some kind of catch?

If it seems too good to be true, it is.

Lower priced houses that are sizable usually indicate some or all of the following:
- far away from urban centers
- high crime / poor education area
- low income area, lack of economic opportunity
- house has many hidden flaws
- foreclosed home which is usually a sign of all of the above

If I remember from your other thread, you just graduated with a music degree. I'm sorry but it will be extremely difficult, if not downright impossible, for you to work here. You will not be able to obtain an employment visa without sponsorship from a US employer, and virtually no US employer in any music related industry will offer that.

You can try filing for a general immigration visa, but it would be foolish to do so and move here without a sizable savings account to buoy yourself for at least a couple of months.

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#6
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> But is there some kind of catch?

If it seems too good to be true, it is.

Lower priced houses that are sizable usually indicate some or all of the following:
- far away from urban centers
- high crime / poor education area
- low income area, lack of economic opportunity
- house has many hidden flaws
- foreclosed home which is usually a sign of all of the above


Those are only true in certain areas. The "hidden flaws" one is never true, given the disclosure laws.

I'm in Houston, so plenty of economic opportunity. I live in a very low crime area with excellent schooling and I'm near more things to do than I'll ever be able to take advantage of. 4br, 2 1/2 ba, 2575 ft.^2 and a 3 car detached garage on a corner lot.. $190,000

The rest of your post I agree with.
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Those are only true in certain areas. The "hidden flaws" one is never true, given the disclosure laws.

The hidden flaws are just things that you can't see in the photos. There are plenty of details that do not need to be disclosed by law.

And yes, Houston and other urban centers in Texas are an exception, because Texas is experiencing an economic boom while also having a vast track of land for cheap real estate.

But places that OP mentioned? MO? You couldn't pay me to live in that shithole state.

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In MO I'd recommend having any house you plan on buying tested for residue and chemicals left by meth manufacturing.

LOL nailed it

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#11
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Those houses would be lonely as hell if you don't have a family to fill it.

My thoughts exactly. Who the hell needs that much space? Unless if you've got the personality of a shark and/or mild psychopathic behavior, the States can be a very lonely and hard place to dwell in if you don't have a web of connections set before you. The grass is green wherever you water it. The entire World is becoming so blended and globalized that a change of scenery is the only unique thing you'll find when you move. People are people, no matter where you go.
#13
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But is there some kind of catch?


Yeah youd have to live in either the dump that is Utica, NY or Moberly, MO.

With real estate the only important thing is location location location. I know nothing about those two (prolly hicktown) cities, but theyre probably lame
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#14
Location, location, location. There are some gorgeous houses in the city my college is in that should cost upwards of $800k that are only around $300-$400k. The reason they're so much cheaper than they should be is because this city is awful.

There are also places like Oklahoma where my family used to live where the land just sucks. Everything is flat, the weather sucks, there's no trees or anything nice for miles around, and the city's miles out, so they were able to build a house for about $400k that would probably cost seven figures in a nicer area.

That said, you never know. You might not mind the specific "problems" with those houses. Befriend a local before you visit and have them come househunting along with you, they can give the answers about a lot of things that the real estate agent won't.
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#16
Utica is in the middle of nowhere and isn't a particularly pleasant city. Its pretty grey and depressing. Honestly, if you're looking to move to North America I'd start your search in Canada. They have a better health care system than we in the US do and I think you'd have an easier time getting your degree recognized than in the US (I know people with masters degrees from other counties that had to take menial/entry level jobs because their degrees weren't recognized here) If you speak French I think you'd find Quebec to be really nice and would experience a bit less culture shock than if you moved to, say, a piece of sh*t state like Missouri.
#18
Really TS don't do it.
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#19
Life in the US is really all about choices. You can make your life here amazing or intolerable by the choices you make and most immigrants thrive once they get a taste of freedom and opportunity. Too many of our own youth are jaded, sitting around waiting for "the good life" to be handed too them instead of going out and making it happen.

Good luck!
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most immigrants thrive once they get a taste of freedom and opportunity.

That was good...
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Too many of our own youth are jaded, sitting around waiting for "the good life" to be handed too them instead of going out and making it happen.

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#21
I think most responses here are dumb and you shouldn't pay attention to them

I have no idea what anything's like in Belgium but yeah homes probably are cheaper here, but you have to consider that I'd imagine that's just because people make more in Belgium for the same work. Definitely just don't go do anything like that just because of cost. But yeah, I'd say if you're happy there, stay. If you are unhappy or want a fresh start or some adventure then go for it, but also give yourself lots of time to think about it. Moving to another country for your life really isn't something you should be impulsive with, not that you were going to be. But at the same time, don't be too afraid either. You'll choose a path and it'll honestly probably be as good as the next one and you'll be fine. Follow ya heart (and a little of your brain)

I would also recommend a city if you're an immigrant and probably not one too far south but if I were you I'd decide based more on weather that you prefer than anything.
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if I were you I'd decide based more on weather that you prefer than anything.




Yes... ignore Xiaoxi and Arby - y'know, folks that know how to play the system - just go wherever the weather seems nice!
#23
Belgium has the 2nd best beers in the world, and is neighbor to the 1st best beers in the world, Id prolly just stay there TS
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Yes... ignore Xiaoxi and Arby - y'know, folks that know how to play the system - just go wherever the weather seems nice!


Actually, as long as this has been brought up, I have a question for Xiaoxi that I've been meaning to ask for a while. Specifically: What is the logical course after graduation? I've done everything that I've been given the impression by people in the professional world I should be doing - building contacts, getting internships, going to industry conventions to network, etc. - and I'm set to graduate early next semester, yet I'm still terrified of fucking up once I'm out and falling on my face.

You're not a millionaire, but you certainly seem to have landed on your feet better than most people I know who've graduated in the last few years, and in a field you actually enjoy. What would you suggest someone graduating soon do after graduation? For what it's worth, home is actually in Maryland for me, so you should have a general idea of what's in my area and whether staying makes sense and whatnot.
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#25
^Just to throw in a suggestion (not from there), but do you have a LinkedIn account? I personally dont, but I've heard from a lot that it helps
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#26
You can pay the same amount of money in America for a house similar to the first house as you would pay in Belgium. You happened to pick towns where houses are cheap for whatever reason. Where I live, you actually can pay upwards of $1 million for houses like the ones in photograph 3.
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Where I live, you actually can pay upwards of $1 million for houses like the ones in photograph 3.


That's just it, it really depends where in the US OP is considering moving. That same house in Detroit could be bought for less than $1,000. (But that's still too much)

I agree with what Xiaxoi was saying in his post, but there are exceptions. The US is made up of countless markets, rather than one big one. We have a good amount of areas with low prices and high quality homes throughout the US.
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You can pay the same amount of money in America for a house similar to the first house as you would pay in Belgium. You happened to pick towns where houses are cheap for whatever reason. Where I live, you actually can pay upwards of $1 million for houses like the ones in photograph 3.

I just looked on Zillow and this house #3 from the OP would probably cost a few million where I live.


Two towns from where I live, this costs $1.6 million.
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#30
People living here like to complain about a lot of stuff, but there really aren't many places I'd rather live. I think most people would enjoy living here.
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#33
There is no way you'll be able to get a visa. It's pretty much impossible unless you have a skill that is really needed and an employer willing to sponsor you. I believe that any employer will have to prove that no American could do the job they're hiring you for as well, which is pretty difficult.
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#34
America is , factually, one of the easier countries to assimilate with and be welcome in to the culture, but actually have a plan.

Dont just look for 'cheapest house'/'coolest area'. Look up all the logistics to the places, and maybe base it on your major for the meantime so you can actually find work and such.


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#35
If you love high taxes, stressful work and overpriced houses depending on where you live then come on over. I'd trade with you in a heartbeat. l live outside of Boston, MA and the prices and taxes here are ungodly. Anyone who says that this is the best place to live has never been outside the USA. I spent 4 years in the Army and have been everywhere so I feel my opinion has some merit.
#36
How do you figure Canada's health care is better? We have a ****ed up system where even if you have insurance through your employer. ( which you still pay about 70$) a month in premiums then you have the government medical service plan they force you to pay about 40 a month depending on province. Hospital waits 2 or 3 hours due to every elderly hindu going to the ER for a runny nose instead of a Drs office. Drs are so busy here they just rush everyone in and out. Ive had complaints of chest pains and that was the longest a dr has ever seen me in my life and that was about 70seconds total. This is in B.C. Alberta is better in terms of wait times but they are about to start charging for the medical service plan as well. It has been without for 5 years but they are going back into debt so they may have the highest in the country soon. Im sick of hearing how Canada's health care is so good or free . I never understood the free healthcare thing its just a myth to be properly insured for a month and have a dr and dentist visit with pills to get after your probably looking at 300$ for free care.
#37
My advice would be that you shouldn't base your choice of where you live solely on the cost of living and that if you're really desperate to leave Belgium then you should look at moving to somewhere else in the EU.
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#38
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If you love high taxes, stressful work and overpriced houses depending on where you live then come on over. I'd trade with you in a heartbeat. l live outside of Boston, MA and the prices and taxes here are ungodly. Anyone who says that this is the best place to live has never been outside the USA. I spent 4 years in the Army and have been everywhere so I feel my opinion has some merit.

I'm not entirely sure about this, but I don't think you'd be better off in Belgium when it comes to paying tax.
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How do you figure Canada's health care is better? We have a ****ed up system where even if you have insurance through your employer. ( which you still pay about 70$) a month in premiums then you have the government medical service plan they force you to pay about 40 a month depending on province. Hospital waits 2 or 3 hours due to every elderly hindu going to the ER for a runny nose instead of a Drs office. Drs are so busy here they just rush everyone in and out. Ive had complaints of chest pains and that was the longest a dr has ever seen me in my life and that was about 70seconds total. This is in B.C. Alberta is better in terms of wait times but they are about to start charging for the medical service plan as well. It has been without for 5 years but they are going back into debt so they may have the highest in the country soon. Im sick of hearing how Canada's health care is so good or free . I never understood the free healthcare thing its just a myth to be properly insured for a month and have a dr and dentist visit with pills to get after your probably looking at 300$ for free care.

I had cancer and it was covered entirely by my government healthcare outside of one relatively inexpensive treatment. The wait times were entirely reasonable especially considering the alternative in the states would have been a crushing amount of debt.

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Too many of our own youth are jaded, sitting around waiting for "the good life" to be handed too them instead of going out and making it happen.

isn't that most of the English speaking world though?

^ I'm glad I live in Australia where my healthcare system is ridiculously reasonable
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