#1
Hello there,

I just got a new guitar and it's my first with a Floyd Rose. I don't know what the terms are for the different settings but I can only push it down. I would like to set it up so I can also pull it.

What are the pros and cons of each setting? What precaution should I take when tweaking the floyd rose?

Thanks!
#2
What guitar is it? Some (especially 80s-style guitars) don't have the Floyd recessed (i.e. when you're not doing anything to the bar the bridge rests against the body) so you can't pull up at all. Some have low profile designs which don't have much upward range just on account of their shape.
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Yup, that's set against the body. Without modification, it's dive-only.
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if set to float then there should be a little bit of pull up. if you're trying to do any of the crazy stuff then not happening. you need rear routing for that kind of stuff.
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Right, I forgot to mention that!

It's a made in Japan Charvel So-Cal.

I have the same guitar. It lacks the routing behind the bridge. There's simply just no space for the Floyd to be able to do pulls - the bridge hits the body. The newer MIM ones have a recessed Floyd, which means they can do pulls too.

It does depend on the setup. You can make it do like 1/2 or whole step bends. But that's about it. I haven't really even found use for whammy bar bends. There's one benefit from having it set to float and that's whammy bar vibrato. Just raise your action a bit and you can do small bends on it, but nothing extreme.
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Hasn't he got a Vintage-style trem on there, though?
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Right, I forgot to mention that!

It's a made in Japan Charvel So-Cal.

Those are flush mount FR and are dive only
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Those are flush mount FR and are dive only


you can get a little pull up on those. yu might have to raise the posts a little to do it. the trem should be high enough off the body to allow some pull up before the back hits the body/
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you can get a little pull up on those. yu might have to raise the posts a little to do it. the trem should be high enough off the body to allow some pull up before the back hits the body/

Yes. That's how mine is set up. But you can't really go crazy with it. As I said, you can do like half or whole step bends and that's it.
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#13
Thanks everyone!
So if I want to be able to do pulls I have to raise the action and I don't need to adjust the springs?

@MaggaraMarine: You can't do dive-bombs with it, can you?
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Thanks everyone!
So if I want to be able to do pulls I have to raise the action and I don't need to adjust the springs?

I wouldn't bother. Raising the action just to get some more travel on the Floyd when pulling up won't give you very much more travel and it'll ruin the guitar's playability. Kind of a waste of time imo.

If its really important to you that you can pull up by 4 or 5 steps, you need to buy another guitar. Otherwise its just not going to happen.
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I am pretty happy with the guitar as it is, I was mainly just wondering to understand more about Floyd Roses. Although I might want to reduce the action a little bit, what precautions should I take in this case?
#16
The only thing you should know is to never adjust the posts with the guitar tuned up to pitch. It'll wreck the knife edges. You'll need to detune the whole guitar, take the springs out, adjust the posts, then put the springs back in and re-tune the guitar for every action adjustment you make.

With the Floyd off the guitar, its a good idea to put a little bit of grease on the knife edges. It helps reduce friction and therefore tuning stability a little.

It takes a lot of trail and error to set up a Floyd. And its particularly time consuming if the bridge is fully floating. But the way Floyds are designed doesn't allow for an alternate way. Its not hard to see why there's a healthy majority of people that despise them.
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#17
^ not really, putting grease or any lube attracts dust, clean as possible to replace. Lube it if the posts/edges are fuked, it does help.
#18
The amount of grease you need is so small, that keeping it clean isn't a problem.
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^even a small amount picks up a huge amount of dirt /dust...if you have a new one, clean it...there is no real friction on a good FR
#20
Whenever I restring the guitar, I take the Floyd off to make it easier to insert the strings into the blocks. Any dirt that could get there is wiped off, which there is typically none.

I see no reason not to lube the knife edges. Either way it doesn't do any harm and cleaning it every so often is hardly a big deal.
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Thanks everyone!
So if I want to be able to do pulls I have to raise the action and I don't need to adjust the springs?

@MaggaraMarine: You can't do dive-bombs with it, can you?

What do you mean with divebombs? My understanding of divebombs is picking a harmonic and just diving (like in the end of "Fight Fire with Fire"). You don't need the Floyd to go up to be able to do divebombs.

You could of course start with the bar pressed down a bit, pick the harmonic, release the bar and then dive.
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Whenever I restring the guitar, I take the Floyd off to make it easier to insert the strings into the blocks. Any dirt that could get there is wiped off, which there is typically none.

I see no reason not to lube the knife edges
. Either way it doesn't do any harm and cleaning it every so often is hardly a big deal.



How often you restring? that sounds like a total pain to do every time! I can restring one string at a time in less than 10 mins, only adjust the springs back from the stretch. I only take it out for a major clean/setup, every year or so, so i change strings about 10 times between.

Typicaly none because you didn't lube it. If you did it would have lots.
My reason was not good enough? Look at how much dust etc gets on other parts of the saddles, pups etc. Maybe just me but always accumulates, grease or lube is not needed, not recommended by them or do anything positive on a proper FR

Best is to use compressed air every time you clean the rest
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#23
I restring my guitar every month, as I use it often. I take off all the strings at once, and use a trem stopper so that I can get back to zero point again, as soon as I put the Floyd back in. Its really easy and quick.

If not using grease works for you, good for you. But because I restring the guitar that way, the knife edges are never able to accumulate any real dirt. The amount of lube you need to use is so small, and it typically ends up in an area where dust cannot get to it easily.

Either way, this discussion is really trivial. And I'm getting bored of it now.
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#24
I've been lubing my Floyds for years, and it was a pretty good tech who recommended it. As a result even the cheap licensed Floyd that came on a '92 Samick is still going strong. It's never attracted that much dust or grime. OTOH, I keep my guitars in their cases when I'm not playing them; the folks that keep their guitars on stands or on hangers end up with a LOT more dust than mine do.

If you learn how to properly block your Floyd, you can do a string change in under 15 minutes and be pretty much back in tune when you're done. I usually pull all the strings at once, clean everything, check it, restring it and retune.
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if set to float then there should be a little bit of pull up. if you're trying to do any of the crazy stuff then not happening. you need rear routing for that kind of stuff.


+1

you can definitely set it up to get a bit of up-pull (normally up to about a tone or so), but the person you bought it from maybe have decked it.
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you can definitely set it up to get a bit of up-pull (normally up to about a tone or so), but the person you bought it from maybe have decked it.


I got the guitar in mint condition, it was set in dive-only, that is why I was wondering how to set it floating (I realize this wasn't clearly stated in my original post).
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#27
It won't be worth it and will make your guitar go out of tune every time you do it. Might as well just get a whammy pedal or something.
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It won't be worth it and will make your guitar go out of tune every time you do it. Might as well just get a whammy pedal or something.


say what? dude he has a floyd rose on it so that won't happen.

in order to get it to float you may have to raise the posts a bit so the unit has a little clearence.
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^ yeah. loosen the strings first before adjusting the posts.
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if set to float then there should be a little bit of pull up. if you're trying to do any of the crazy stuff then not happening. you need rear routing for that kind of stuff.



Bullshit!

Raise the trem, adjust the neck-tilt, and you can do all the "crazy stuff".
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Bullshit!

Raise the trem, adjust the neck-tilt, and you can do all the "crazy stuff".

Not if you want good low action
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