#1
Hello!
I decide to change pic-ups on my Yamaha Aes 620 holo body to shift smith jazzy sound of the guitar towards modern fender glass sound. On default this guitar has Seymour duncan sh-4 in the bridge position which sounds pretty good and soma yamaha pic-up in the neck position which is very smooth and sounds not very good. I play mostly on clean sound with reverb some cases of jazz-fission, blues and neo-classics but not like smooth sound of typical jazz guitars like gibson and ibanez which sounds very fat and not very melodically in comparison to typical stratocaster in my opinion.

Will be thankful for any ideas besides to place in neck position SD sh-2 jazz which is most popular suggestion for this guitar.

Thanks!

James
#2
Sounds like either a Dimarzio Humbucker from Hell or Seymour Duncan Stag Mag would suit you.
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#3
I'd like to help, but I'm still a little confused by what kind of sound you want. Are you wanting a jazzier sound from the neck pickup?
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#4
in principle the initial concept of yamaha aes 620 of 2 hb: one with blues-like sound (eh-4) and another (neck) more smooth- seems interesting for me. The only the sound of the guitar as it was tested with VOX NightTrain was not such power like from my Les PAul or Strat (although I completely don't like the Les Paul type of sound itself). By the end I'd like to obtain some quality like what I heard in Fussion guitar (E,g Pat Metheny which one of my favourite). So I'd like to discard FAT hum backer sound from the neck position keeping here some jazz-like sound and to have something stratocaster glassy-like in bridge. Should I look on the gibson pickups as well?


James
#5
btw about mechanics:
I've noticed here grover string lookers
as well as very simple string-pickers near bridge in stray-style (strings pass throughout the guitar).
How do you think is it will be reasonable to change both and to mount bigsby (I'm not sure whether it's possible for this guitar)

J.
#6
I think the type of tones you are talking about is going to depend more on your amp then your pickups at this point.
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I think the type of tones you are talking about is going to depend more on your amp then your pickups at this point.

You're probably right, but it seems to me he's seeking to alter the tone of a guitar to gain some more singlecoil-type tones out of it. Besides the HSH and HSS guitars on the market, there are a growing number of H/P90 guitars out there, all seeking to give guitarists a different set of tones at their fingertips beside all HBs or all singles.

With that in mind, instead of looking at a humbucker, perhaps a HB-sized P90- the Bareknuckle Mississippi Queen is but one example*- would do the trick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71l_cFkliow&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpZg35Xdl10&sns=em

Likewise, there are also HB-sized Charlie Christians out there**, like these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7vSqC_JueU&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awz14aRNteU&sns=em

Another option would be Lace Alumitones, which can deliver extremely clean tones, but also distort nicely, of needed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ijw2bSBhs&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkbkI4gYg2g&sns=em


* Other HB-sized P90s are available from Bareknuckle and other companies- I'd also look at Vintage Vibe, Rio Grande, Lollar, The Creamery, and RailHammer.

** HB-sized CCs are available from Vintage Vibe, Lollar, Stephen Designs, and a few other companies.
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#9
Yes, the ideas seems interesting but I have not found any of those pic-ups on the local shops like
http://www.thomann.de/
http://www.bax-shop.nl

in principle any of simplest suggestions are also will be interesting taking into account the low segment level of the guitar ( I think even very good pic-ups will not result here in the sound like on expensive japan jazz models ibanez etc)

J.

Quote by dannyalcatraz
You're probably right, but it seems to me he's seeking to alter the tone of a guitar to gain some more singlecoil-type tones out of it. Besides the HSH and HSS guitars on the market, there are a growing number of H/P90 guitars out there, all seeking to give guitarists a different set of tones at their fingertips beside all HBs or all singles.

With that in mind, instead of looking at a humbucker, perhaps a HB-sized P90- the Bareknuckle Mississippi Queen is but one example*- would do the trick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71l_cFkliow&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpZg35Xdl10&sns=em

Likewise, there are also HB-sized Charlie Christians out there**, like these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7vSqC_JueU&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awz14aRNteU&sns=em

Another option would be Lace Alumitones, which can deliver extremely clean tones, but also distort nicely, of needed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ijw2bSBhs&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkbkI4gYg2g&sns=em


* Other HB-sized P90s are available from Bareknuckle and other companies- I'd also look at Vintage Vibe, Rio Grande, Lollar, The Creamery, and RailHammer.

** HB-sized CCs are available from Vintage Vibe, Lollar, Stephen Designs, and a few other companies.
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Quote by James Starlight
Yes, the ideas seems interesting but I have not found any of those pic-ups on the local shops like
http://www.thomann.de/
http://www.bax-shop.nl

in principle any of simplest suggestions are also will be interesting taking into account the low segment level of the guitar ( I think even very good pic-ups will not result here in the sound like on expensive japan jazz models ibanez etc)

J.

If you like those pickups, you will have to contact the makers directly in their websites- they are rarely sold through retailers.
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#11
Thanks!
BTW are there any other suggestions for such single-coil pic-ups in the hb body which are available in the general stocks i,e from Gibson?
#12
I know Seumour Duncan makes the P-Rails, which do HB, P90 and singlecoil tones, but I don't think they're voiced like you want.

That said, I believe most of the major pickup makers make some kind of HB-sized P90 or singlecoil. The question- as with the P-Rails, is whether what they offer sounds right. Besides looking at demos on youtube, you could also contact the makers directly. No joke. I do that all the time.

Depending on the size of the company, it may take them a little time to get back to you, but so far, every pickup company I have sent an email to with a product inquiry has gotten a helpful response.

So, if you have a company in mind that you'd prefer to deal with, send an email! They'll match your needs to the pickups they make. And if they don't sell directly to the public, they'll probably have some kind of dealer locator.
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at May 11, 2015,
#13
thx!

btw also would like to ask what of the modern gibson pickups available in the stock might produce smooth sound closest to the Carlos Santana tone? Considering that his played some time on the Yamaha guitar it might be interesting to make experiment with such kind of song using my guitar in the cheap segment.

J,