Poll: What do you think of National Service?
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It is good
13 41%
It is bad
19 59%
Voters: 32.
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#1
Today our esteemed 5th in line to the throne, Prince Harry, has said that everyone in the country should do some National Service, because it helped to keep him out of trouble.

Do you think every country should have National Service? Are you from a country that has National Service? If so, how was it for you?

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#2
It's good because here in Finland I'm yet to see one obese guy under 30 and I've been here nearly 5 years Meanwhile in England..
#3
conscription sux but I'm not terribly against governments that allow civilian service or at least some sort of alternative instead.

I don't see myself supporting it either though.

only good thing I see out of it is that every young person is guaranteed some sort of work experience potentially in a field they might not otherwise get and at least you'd be guaranteed pay for some time (though the Israeli's here have told me it's not a whole lot ). actually I remember Jimmyled or whoever earned conscious objector status in Israel (quite rare) and ended up liking his position assisting deaf/blind people or something so there's at least one success story I am aware of.
#4
I dont know much, but I have learned one thing in my life, at least.

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It's good because here in Finland I'm yet to see one obese guy under 30 and I've been here nearly 5 years Meanwhile in England..

Judging by the average English person I'd say we just suffer from bad genes.


Anyway, England can have conscription based on the condition that the monarchy is dissolved and people stop paying attention to them.
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#6
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Judging by the average English person I'd say we just suffer from bad genes.

Maybe, but even with "bad genes" you can get fit. All those teenage layabouts who sit in on the xbox 24 hours a day made to do some army shit/community work and get off their arse when they turn 18 can only be a good thing
#7
Quote by sam b
Maybe, but even with "bad genes" you can get fit. All those teenage layabouts who sit in on the xbox 24 hours a day made to do some army shit/community work and get off their arse when they turn 18 can only be a good thing

They can get fit but they'll still be ugly doesn't solve my problem of having to look at their fugly faces. 'Cept now they'll all be butters.
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They can get fit but they'll still be ugly doesn't solve my problem of having to look at their fugly faces. 'Cept now they'll all be butters.



Fit and ugly > fat/lazy and ugly, for society as a whole
#9
The royals can fuck off and so can National Service.
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Fit and ugly > fat/lazy and ugly, for society as a whole

I suppose it would lessen the burden of the NHS.
#12
define national service

national working brigades? ye that would be a good idea

army service? nope, nope, nope


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#13
Kind of bad really.....

Not only is it a massive expense and not a great long term investment opportunity for Governments, the thought of some people being allowed to use firearms and weapons is scary.....even if they may get proper training, there are people I come across on a daily basis that I'm fairly certain wouldn't be able to grasp the concept of always pointing your weapon down range, or even more simply, don't point it at yourself.

The pros though, it's a good recruiting strategy, In Australia a few years back (I think it's been discontinued now though) they used to offer a 'Gap Year' program to school students where they could spend a year in the military, and at the end they could either stay on, or leave, no questions asked. Apparently their recruitment numbers went up when it was running.
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#14
I like how Germany did it, with military conscription or conscientious objection leading to civil service.
#15
The country I live in does it. I don't have to do it since I'm female and I would not actively choose to do it because I would not be comfortable in an all-male environment, but if it was compulsory I definitely would without complaining. 2 years of being paid to become super fit and learn valuable life skills sounds like a good deal to me and it opens up a lot of interesting career paths.


I don't know if every country should have it though, that depends on the country right
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#16
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OT: I'm anti-inscription. I don't see who benefits from having someone doing service who doesn't want to be there.
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#17
I personally think National Service could be good for a lot of people, but for a lot of people it would be pointless and a waste of time. I know for me it would have just delayed what I wanted to do by a few years.

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#18
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I personally think National Service could be good for a lot of people, but for a lot of people it would be pointless and a waste of time. I know for me it would have just delayed what I wanted to do by a few years.

It's only 6 months here, and you can choose community work instead, meaning you can stay where you are and still study or whatever
#19
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It's only 6 months here, and you can choose community work instead, meaning you can stay where you are and still study or whatever


That sounds much better than 2 years in an armed force

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#21
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Today our esteemed 5th in line to the throne, Prince Harry, has said that everyone in the country should do some National Service, because it helped to keep him out of trouble.

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#22
"This was good for me, so everyone should be forced to do it!" No thanks, Harry lad.
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#23
It'd teach people fitness and discipline and work ethic. I'd be down for that. Look at Israel. They all have to serve and they've got their shit together. Plus I could've benefitted from a couple years of real life experience after high school to reflect on what I actually wanted to do.
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I don't see it that way, but perhaps you're right. It's different in person anyway, I would definitely never want to meet a large group of people from UG
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#26
I'm on the fence about it. While it'd be good for many, teaching them discipline, increasing fitness, work ethics, giving them a sense of place etc. it would be good. Lead them into adulthood with the right mindset. Then again as others have said, people who already live with these ideals and just want to progress onto uni/working at their job, it would just be a hindrance.

Basically, it'd be good, however it wouldn't work if it was a blanket 'all must join' policy, which would sadly likely give loopholes to the very people who it would benefit to join.

That all said, i'm not really pro-military, however if the work that it entailed was very much more personally and society focused, i'd be happy.
#27
conscription is shitty and i'd have nothing to gain from joining the military

im not allowed in anyway lol. like i'd ever actually protect the people of this country when they dont even consider me a human being.
#28
Against. If i was forced to quit my job to do some shitty civil service I'd be furious
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#29
I like the system in Finland, and understand the reasons behind it. Finland is a big country and there are not a lot of people living here, so conscription is really the only way to go (NATO is another option, but I'd rather stay out of it). But in many other countries our system would make little sense.

I really enjoyed my service, but that was because I played in a military band (it was not a marching band, it was a party/jazz/dance band and we played a great variety of different kind of gigs) - though I don't think the regular 6 months would have been torture either. It took 9 months instead of the regular 6 months, but it was well worth it.

6 months to a year is not that much time. Yes, you could use it for studying or working, but really, you can do that in the future. One year is nothing and life is not all about studying and working. Also, it's a once in a lifetime experience - you will never experience anything like it anywhere else. I do support the system we have in Finland, and I think it works well.
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#30
I don't support it because I'm lazy and have no sense of national identity. You're just forcing people to do stuff they don't want. I'd imagine people who join the armed forces voluntarily are more motivated and know what they're getting into.
#31
National service is the draft and stuff, right?

Balls to that. Harry got coddled because nobody wants to be the commander who got the prince shot on his watch. Regular servicemen and women are the fodder that fuel a military machine, which means frontlines.
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#32
Are you referring to mandatory military service, or mandatory service to the country as a whole?

The second is not a bad idea. The first is.
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#33
Being in the British military, I can say that it has given me a great experience, a trade, and a career. I wouldn't have done any of these things on my own accord (probably), based on how I was at the age of 18. However, I'm not sure how happy I would be if I were forced to work with somebody who was mandated to be there and resented the fact.

If there were another option that gave you a trade, a salary and taught you life skills whilst serving the country in a non-military way then I'd be happy with it.

I also believe that before it was abolished in the UK there were protected jobs. So nurses, doctors, engineers etc had the option to go rather than lose them from their respective industries.
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#34
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If there were another option that gave you a trade, a salary and taught you life skills whilst serving the country in a non-military way then I'd be happy with it.


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That all said, i'm not really pro-military, however if the work that it entailed was very much more personally and society focused, i'd be happy.


Working. Brigades.

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Youth work actions were organized voluntary labor activities of young people in the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. The actions were used to build public infrastructure such as roads, railways, and public buildings, as well as industrial infrastructure. The youth work actions were organized on local, republic and federal levels by the Young Communist League of Yugoslavia, and participants were organized into youth work brigades, generally named after their town or a local national hero. Important projects built by youth work brigades include the Brčko-Banovići railway, the Šamac-Sarajevo railway, parts of New Belgrade, and parts of the Highway of Brotherhood and Unity, which stretches from northern Slovenia to southern Macedonia.


Initial actions were organized during the Second World War in territories liberated by the partisans. After the war, actions were numerous and massive and the youth brigades made significant contributions to the rebuilding of their country, which was badly ravaged by war. In addition to cheap labor for the state, youth work actions provided a form of free holiday for teenagers.


As the country was rebuilt and its economy stabilized, youth work actions went out of fashion. However, they were revived in the late 1970s, in an effort to organize youth in political and cultural activities, as the work actions proved to play a large role in the socialization of those involved.





Gozd in gora poj,
silen ženimo hrup,
uboga gmajna, le vpup, le vkup,
le vkup, le vkup z menoj,
staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
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#35
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Are you referring to mandatory military service, or mandatory service to the country as a whole?

The second is not a bad idea. The first is.

The second could be an excellent idea and could also be an absolutely horrible idea. Far too vague to make a strong claim either way. But yeah, huu.
#36
Like 6 months when you're 16-17 could be good. volunteering or army.

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Anyway, England can have conscription based on the condition that the monarchy is dissolved and people stop paying attention to them.


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#37
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It'd teach people fitness and discipline and work ethic. I'd be down for that. Look at Israel. They all have to serve and they've got their shit together. Plus I could've benefitted from a couple years of real life experience after high school to reflect on what I actually wanted to do.


this is basically my thinking. I think it's actually a good idea in a lot of ways, and tbh I'd probably be better off with it.

I'm dead against military conscription though, make it a lot of different options to give people a diverse set of skills and make it work for everyone's needs. and while I am morally against military conscription, that's not the only reason it's a bad idea lol.
#38
Quote by sam b
Maybe, but even with "bad genes" you can get fit. All those teenage layabouts who sit in on the xbox 24 hours a day made to do some army shit/community work and get off their arse when they turn 18 can only be a good thing

this, it promotes work ethic, especially when rewarded.

EDIT: Jam's post is exactly what I'm talking about, get the ****ing lazy youth of today (yours truly included) out doing something that will help society.
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