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http://www.sciencealert.com/this-is-the-official-flag-of-earth-that-we-ll-be-planting-on-mars

Just a heads up, no this is not official, just a fluff piece about some dude in sweden who designed it.

In case u hadn't heard NASA is planning a manned mission to mars for 2030
http://www.nasa.gov/content/nasas-journey-to-mars

It got me interested though, should a hypothetical mission to Mars, that is funded by the US, fly the US flag, or one representing the planet as a whole?

I mean, last time I checked, the world isn't some big united group of individuals. And theres no other life out there that we know about that would cause us to feel patriotic/Nationalistic for Earth.

But on the other hand, Armstrong did say "one giant leap for mankind", not "one giant leap for america"

Honestly I don't really care which flag is flown, but it does raise some questions about nationalism and it's relevance.

anyway, Would you care? Are flags stupid? Am I stupid? discuss.
#2
yeah flags are dumb. instead of putting a flag there, they should put in a serious statue/fountain thing. that'd be great
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#3
Just use the earth flag
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#4
The rest of the planet trying to piggyback on American achievement, what else is new.
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#5
I sincerely doubt that anyone will be sent on a mission to mars in our lifetime, not until they somehow devise a way to bring the astronauts back
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yeah flags are dumb. instead of putting a flag there, they should put in a serious statue/fountain thing. that'd be great

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#7
need to make a martian flag ofc
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#8
Going to mars is so expensive that i doupt NASA will do it alone, theyll probably work together with the european space agency and china or something.
Also, it really shouldnt be hard to just make a flag with a picture of earth on it
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#9
^ I also just think that he designed a pretty shit flag in general, i mean, I used to draw circles like that using a compass back in primary school
#10
The usual argument given by engineers and scientists regarding the value of space travel is something like: it's not the actual mission (which itself is an astronomical financial black hole), but the tech and innovation that is developed in the process which is of the greatest value.

Yes, it's silly. It's sort of like a grown-up skeet-shooting kinda thing for guys with post-PhD's and military types, BUT the fact that Apollo, for example, gave us such technologies as..

The hand-held vacuum cleaner, pretty sweet!
Baby food, because breasts are for Daddy, damnit!!
Intelligent underwear, because someone's gotta watch yer ass.

..and so on. http://kearth101.cbslocal.com/2011/07/21/list-stuff-we-use-everyday-that-was-invented-from-the-space-program/

Joking aside, actually read somewhere that the net gain for the US economy in terms of computers and the Internet as we know it is in the tens of billions. Now that stuff would probably have been developed anyway, or was in development stages of some kind, but the push to the moon did provide funding for a lot of that tech. We might be living in (effectively) the 1990's right now if it weren't for some of the more ambitious space missions.
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#12
I think we need to put up a kebab stand instead of a flag


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#13
If the effort is entirely a NASA endeavor, which I doubt, I think the American flag should be placed. If not, I don't really care.

The odds of a multinational endeavor are extremely high. Cassini, one of the most complex spacecraft and missions, involved 17 nations. This isn't the 50s-60s anymore.
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#14
Don't put any flag up there. If it's an international mission, keep politics out of it. The amount of junk (and possibly bodies) they'll leave behind are a good enough sign of human presence.
#15
A. NASA has been planning a Mars mission 15 years in the future for the last 50 years.

B. That flag looks like a butthole.
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NASA has been planning a Mars mission 15 years in the future for the last 50 years.

Exactly.
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#18
I say we plant Freedonia's flag

In all seriousness we'll probably plant an American flag with a plaque on something we leave behind saying "We came in peace for all of mankind" just like we did with the Apollo missions.

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A. NASA has been planning a Mars mission 15 years in the future for the last 50 years.


In no small part because A. every new administration has crazy new ideas and wants to scrap the old administration's ideas. Obama did it, Bush did it, Clinton did it, Bush did it, everyone does it, and B. they get virtually no money given the cost of actually building the damn things. They get around 0.4% of the annual budget. In 1969 when we landed on the moon it wasn't even 2.5%. There's a reasonable argument that allocating as little as one percent more to NASA would make it so they could actually finish a design before the next president scraps it.
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#19
Nah tbh that's lame as ****, it's a human achievement, not some garbage that serves no other purpose than to rub it in the rest of the world's face
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#20
They should put a fried chicken truck up there so when we colonize at least there will be a fried chicken truck.
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#21
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Nah tbh that's lame as ****, it's a human achievement, not some garbage that serves no other purpose than to rub it in the rest of the world's face



It is a human achievement, but let's not go so far as to take the achievement from the individuals who directly made it possible. Great and successful acts of space exploration are broad testaments to the ability of humanity, but more so they are the accomplishments of relatively small groups of extremely talented, motivated, and driven individuals.
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#22
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It is a human achievement, but let's not go so far as to take the achievement from the individuals who directly made it possible. Great and successful acts of space exploration are broad testaments to the ability of humanity, but more so they are the accomplishments of relatively small groups of extremely talented, motivated, and driven individuals.

Those individuals have as much to do with a specific nation as anything else though. Like if I'm involved in a super awesome movie with 100 other people I'm not really going to attribute much to US. I understand it's tax funded but that honestly affects this very little, we as a nation don't even do as much as we should and when it becomes clearly and purely a symbol of national pride instead of everything else it takes away everything it was to begin with. Shouldn't what you're saying just mean to give the credit to NASA which is obvious? Plus our knowledge/technology is not in a vacuum, we all build off each other from across the globe as we basically always have.

Why is there a need to make it about one nation? What good does it accomplish? The Space Race is long gone, thank god
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#23
space is dumb




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#25
The point of the flag is we'll get the most green alien space pussy.
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#26
I'm waiting for the virtual reality revolution. Virtual pussy!
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#27
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but more so they are the accomplishments of relatively small groups of extremely talented, motivated, and driven individuals.

I think this is one of the points where our ideologies very clearly part ways.


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#28
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Those individuals have as much to do with a specific nation as anything else though. Like if I'm involved in a super awesome movie with 100 other people I'm not really going to attribute much to US. I understand it's tax funded but that honestly affects this very little, we as a nation don't even do as much as we should and when it becomes clearly and purely a symbol of national pride instead of everything else it takes away everything it was to begin with. Shouldn't what you're saying just mean to give the credit to NASA which is obvious? Plus our knowledge/technology is not in a vacuum, we all build off each other from across the globe as we basically always have.

Why is there a need to make it about one nation? What good does it accomplish? The Space Race is long gone, thank god


I never mentioned national allegiance in the post you quoted.

However, national affiliation may have benefits to people in ways that you may not be able to see right now. National pride has historically fueled support and financing of our (and any other) government space agency.

Your "thank God the 'space race' is over comment confuses me though.
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#29
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I think this is one of the points where our ideologies very clearly part ways.


There is no ideology involved. Do you disagree that the individuals responsible for successful space missions fit those characteristics? That's a bit rude of you
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I never mentioned national allegiance in the post you quoted.

However, national affiliation may have benefits to people in ways that you may not be able to see right now. National pride has historically fueled support and financing of our (and any other) government space agency.

Your "thank God the 'space race' is over comment confuses me though.

Meaning such noble and huge ambitions gladly aren't fueled purely by that level of absurd pettiness anymore. Sure we can make it a ridiculous contest to get to Mars first, and that would probably speed it up, but to me at least, that being all it is really is makes it no longer worth it. And also the level of money put in there when it becomes nothing but a competition gets crazy and not worth it either.
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#31
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We might be living in (effectively) the 1990's right now if it weren't for some of the more ambitious space missions.

I just saw this and now I hate those NASA dorks even more.
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#32
^ it wasn't absurd pettiness. The scientists and engineers for the Soviet and American space organizations had respect for each other and would have preferred a more open flow of information between the two. The lack of open information was because of the secrecy that was a hallmark of the Soviet government. The competition also increased overall productivity.

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#33
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There is no ideology involved. Do you disagree that the individuals responsible for successful space missions fit those characteristics? That's a bit rude of you

Ideology in the Marxist sense I mean. The underlying judgements of 'objective value' that make up our culture. The whole individualism vs collectivism thing.

I don't mean the part about their characteristics, I'm trying to say that it's interesting how you bring the hard work of individuals above or at least to the same level as the collective progress of humanity. A lot of the people over here would give the people who made it possible a pat on the back but ultimately their individual work would be irrelevant and forgotten in the face of the collective progress.

Not trying to argue against your post, I just think it's interesting how our societies put focus more or less focus on certain things.


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Ideology in the Marxist sense I mean. The underlying judgements of 'objective value' that make up our culture. The whole individualism vs collectivism thing.

I don't mean the part about their characteristics, I'm trying to say that it's interesting how you bring the hard work of individuals above or at least to the same level as the collective progress of humanity. A lot of the people over here would give the people who made it possible a pat on the back but ultimately their individual work would be irrelevant and forgotten in the face of the collective progress.

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What collective progress? The collective progress is the work completed by all of the involved individuals, their agencies, research.

Are you talking about everyday people like you?
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#35
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What collective progress? The collective progress is the work completed by all of the involved individuals, their agencies, research.

Are you talking about everyday people like you?

Collective progress is the scientific gains that come from it. The achievement of the individuals and companies would be noted, but the ultimate focus would be on the benefits to society, presuming that they're gonna do a lot of research up there.

Instead of saying 'You guys sure did a great job', people might say 'This will greately benefit the world' hardly paying attention to the people who made it possible. One focuses on the individuals, the other on the benefits to everyone. You are heroes vs you are credit to motherland.

Either way, this is changing rapidly as more and more post-Yugo generations are born. I'd say that by the time my generation has kids we'll be more or less the same.


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#37
Such is life behind iron curtain

But that's just an extreme example to help me word out what i meant, obviously both cultures pay attention to both individual achievement and collective benefit. The thing is that both cultures are also basing their society on a few biased judgements of value, which is what i meant with ideology

In short, we're both just raised into our way of thinking, there's no right or wrong options


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#38
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Such is life behind iron curtain

But that's just an extreme example to help me word out what i meant, obviously both cultures pay attention to both individual achievement and collective benefit. The thing is that both cultures are also basing their society on a few biased judgements of value, which is what i meant with ideology

In short, we're both just raised into our way of thinking, there's no right or wrong options

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