Poll: How old does a pedal have to be to be "vintage?"
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View poll results: How old does a pedal have to be to be "vintage?"
1970 or earlier
2 12%
1975 or earlier
0 0%
1980 or earlier
6 35%
1985 or earlier
6 35%
1990 or earlier
3 18%
Voters: 17.
#1
So after a Facebook debate today, i'm curious as to what UG has to say.

Pedals first hit the market around 1960, 55 years ago. How old does one have to be to be called "vintage"?
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#2
Anything non-digital is vintage, even if it was made in 2015.
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i think you'd have to take each effect on an individual basis. if you are talking Fuzz for instance then you'd be talking 60s to maybe early 70s. on the other hand Phasers would be 70s and something like Chorus would be 80s.
#4
Technically speaking, the market definition of "vintage" is something that is seven years or older. So in all likelihood, most of your rig is vintage.
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#5
My personal definition of "vintage" gear is something obviously old but currently works very well. And that's in general but not rigid. That's just specific for my purposes though. If I had to put a number on it, I guess I would say 25 years old. But because "vintage" is so widely used as a buzz word, I add in the limiter that it has to work well currently.
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#6
Quote by necrosis1193
Technically speaking, the market definition of "vintage" is something that is seven years or older. So in all likelihood, most of your rig is vintage.

Where did you read that and more importantly why did you believe it when you did?

The only place I can find that claims that 7 years is vintage is on the Apple website, specifically referring to their own policies on parts support. I really hope you have a weird uncle who is lying to you about what words mean and not that you think that the Genius Bar is responsible for 'technical market definitions.'

To answer the question, anything with one pot that is frozen or dirty beyond repair (or has had such replaced), and does not have a 9v adapter input, is vintage.
#7
Good question. I have some 80s gear that I don't consider vintage. So I guess personally I would say 35 years? Ish?
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I think it has to have been out of production for at least 20 years. I swear we had this same thread about a year ago
#9
I would define vintage as something that was made in the early days of whatever particular pedal you are talking about.
Like Vintage for Fuzz Face may be older in years than Vintage for a Tubescreamer.

And I don't think being in working condition is a qualifier as vintage, market value yes, as a qualifier for being defined as vintage, no (As long as it has all original parts).

But to put a definitive number on it, I would go 20 to 25 years.
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#10
Quote by monwobobbo
i think you'd have to take each effect on an individual basis. if you are talking Fuzz for instance then you'd be talking 60s to maybe early 70s. on the other hand Phasers would be 70s and something like Chorus would be 80s.


its complicated, but this is the best reasoning i have read.

it really varies with things though, it is a EXTREMELY subjective term. too subjective. its one of those words that gets slapped on things that a lot of people use to make something seem more valuable. its a word i really don't like.
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its complicated, but this is the best reasoning i have read.

it really varies with things though, it is a EXTREMELY subjective term. too subjective. its one of those words that gets slapped on things that a lot of people use to make something seem more valuable. its a word i really don't like.


agree on use of term. if you dig deeper on the meaning then it becomes a little clearer. while many want to use it as a blanket term it just isn't. for electric guitars it should mean the early years of any given brand. way it's most often used is to lump everything together and say if it was made before (fill in often arbitrary year here) then it's "vintage" if made after then not. that doesn't really work. for instance take a BC Rich guitar. early models were made in the late 70s to early 80s. it would seem safe to say that a "vintage" BC Rich would have been made in those years. many balk at the idea of a late 70s to early 80s guitar as being "vintage"

same principle would apply to effects. early or "vintage" digital effects could be from the late 70s to early 80s. for something like a fuzz then you are talking older.

at this point "vintage" is just a buzz word ment to imply that it is worth more whether that's true or not.
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Quote by monwobobbo
agree on use of term. if you dig deeper on the meaning then it becomes a little clearer. while many want to use it as a blanket term it just isn't. for electric guitars it should mean the early years of any given brand. way it's most often used is to lump everything together and say if it was made before (fill in often arbitrary year here) then it's "vintage" if made after then not. that doesn't really work. for instance take a BC Rich guitar. early models were made in the late 70s to early 80s. it would seem safe to say that a "vintage" BC Rich would have been made in those years. many balk at the idea of a late 70s to early 80s guitar as being "vintage"

same principle would apply to effects. early or "vintage" digital effects could be from the late 70s to early 80s. for something like a fuzz then you are talking older.

at this point "vintage" is just a buzz word ment to imply that it is worth more whether that's true or not
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that is exactly it IMO.
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#15
Old enough that some sucker on TGP will pay more for a damaged “vintage” pedal than for a shiny new one.
#16
I've never really cared. When I'm shopping for stuff myself, all I care about is whether it works and if it's cool sounding/looking. So if I'm looking at something and the seller says it's vintage, I don't even think anything of it. Although I will give the guy a weird look that kind of says "seriously?" if the thing is any less than 20 years old. That's the same line I draw at my store. I pretty much never use the term unless a customer prompted it himself, and if someone asks about vintage stuff, I'll show him any used stuff we have that's more than 20 years old. There's usually not much. A guitar or two and maybe an amp. If that.
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#18
Vintage gear is quality equipment that people have gradually spent increasing sums of money on well in excess of what it was originally priced at, as its longevity has been preserved by the artists that became well known by incorporating this in their sound and those who want to follow them.

If the gear remains the same price or drops or isn't well known then its vintage only in age not in quality, or badly broken or something.
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Vintage: Around long enough for the company to make some minor changes so that people can talk about how the pedals built prior to those changes are better because of reasons.
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#20
Quote by Roc8995
Where did you read that and more importantly why did you believe it when you did?

The only place I can find that claims that 7 years is vintage is on the Apple website, specifically referring to their own policies on parts support. I really hope you have a weird uncle who is lying to you about what words mean and not that you think that the Genius Bar is responsible for 'technical market definitions.'

To answer the question, anything with one pot that is frozen or dirty beyond repair (or has had such replaced), and does not have a 9v adapter input, is vintage.


Awesome response. Saved and will be quoted in the future

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#21
Quote by necrosis1193
Technically speaking, the market definition of "vintage" is something that is seven years or older. So in all likelihood, most of your rig is vintage.


My socks and underwear are mostly vintage.
#22
The use of "vintage" to describe something without a specific year attached to it is a bastardization of the word, usually used by someone who wants to add value without adding any real detail.

I understand that language evolves, but this isn't evolution, it's simply marketing.

If you really want to use the word, take a clue from the wine community and use it correctly. "Vintage" isn't about any specific age, it's to describe when the product was created. "Vintage 1987" and "Vintage 2014" are both equally valid and actually provide relevant detail. "Vintage Tubescreamer" does not.

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Technically speaking, the market definition of "vintage" is something that is seven years or older. So in all likelihood, most of your rig is vintage.


According to who?

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I think you're confusing antique and vintage...
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#23
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Where did you read that and more importantly why did you believe it when you did?

The only place I can find that claims that 7 years is vintage is on the Apple website, specifically referring to their own policies on parts support. I really hope you have a weird uncle who is lying to you about what words mean and not that you think that the Genius Bar is responsible for 'technical market definitions.'




And leave my weird uncle out of this.
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#24
Quote by necrosis1193


And leave my weird uncle out of this.


Great answer, we should all get our word definitions from the Ebay community, especially from users like mamamari1978 in response 18...

http://community.ebay.com/t5/Vintage/How-old-does-something-need-to-be-to-be-considered-vinatge-or/m-p/2599543#M20071

FFS!
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Great answer, we should all get our word definitions from the Ebay community, especially from users like mamamari1978 in response 18...

http://community.ebay.com/t5/Vintage/How-old-does-something-need-to-be-to-be-considered-vinatge-or/m-p/2599543#M20071

FFS!


A. Well I do always make my smartest statements at 1 AM
B. Do you sincerely think that I have been on this website for seven years yet would be dumb enough to say that gear as old as my account is vintage without being facetious
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A. Well I do always make my smartest statements at 1 AM
B. Do you sincerely think that I have been on this website for seven years yet would be dumb enough to say that gear as old as my account is vintage without being facetious


I'm pretty sure you thought the answer made sense at the time. It really looked "official" the way that Google presented it, and I expect you just went with it.

No harm, we've all done similar things, and I appreciate it because it gave me someone to make fun of this morning!!





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Quote by Arby911
I'm pretty sure you thought the answer made sense at the time. It really looked "official" the way that Google presented it, and I expect you just went with it.

Not that it matters, but "So in all likelihood, most of your rig is vintage." makes me unsure
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The use of "vintage" to describe something without a specific year attached to it is a bastardization of the word, usually used by someone who wants to add value without adding any real detail.

I understand that language evolves, but this isn't evolution, it's simply marketing.



That's the real answer.
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#30
A lot of valid and humorous but true opinions. I'll add my useless 2 cents. First off the word vintage is like the words "collectable" and the worst phrase of all "limited". Everything made is limited till they decide to stop making them. How many "limited" editions of anything have we seen. Anyway back to "vintage". First off I think vintage should mean "good" and often "better than what came after". Second I think vintage should mean that it is highly desirable. And lastly vintage should mean no one makes anything exactly like this anymore. Here's an example: I own a box full of Ibanez Tube Screamers (original TS-9, two TS-10, Super Tube, TS-5, and two TS-7). In my opinion the TS-10 fits my idea of "vintage" but not the TS-9. Why? Because the Ibanez TS-9 is still in production and is made with the same parts and sounds identical to one made in 1983. The TS-10 is no longer made and was not the same as a TS-9. It sounds different and currently sells for about $150.00 or more on EBay so apparently it is desirable. That's vintage. Anyone who buys an original 1983-84 TS-9 for $400-500.00 has fallen for the "vintage is better" myth.
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Quote by Rickholly74
A lot of valid and humorous but true opinions. I'll add my useless 2 cents. First off the word vintage is like the words "collectable" and the worst phrase of all "limited". Everything made is limited till they decide to stop making them. How many "limited" editions of anything have we seen. Anyway back to "vintage". First off I think vintage should mean "good" and often "better than what came after". Second I think vintage should mean that it is highly desirable. And lastly vintage should mean no one makes anything exactly like this anymore. Here's an example: I own a box full of Ibanez Tube Screamers (original TS-9, two TS-10, Super Tube, TS-5, and two TS-7). In my opinion the TS-10 fits my idea of "vintage" but not the TS-9. Why? Because the Ibanez TS-9 is still in production and is made with the same parts and sounds identical to one made in 1983. The TS-10 is no longer made and was not the same as a TS-9. It sounds different and currently sells for about $150.00 or more on EBay so apparently it is desirable. That's vintage. Anyone who buys an original 1983-84 TS-9 for $400-500.00 has fallen for the "vintage is better" myth.


i disagree with that. theres a certain type of person who appreciates something rare and vintage for the reason that it is vintage. i'm not one for the sound of them, but there's something about a really old pedal that makes it a pleasure to own.
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but there's something about a really old pedal that makes it a pleasure to own.


Yeah, the fact that it's old and we've been conditioned to believe that necessarily means it's good.

If you had a thirty year old pedal but you didn't know it was thirty years old, it wouldn't be "a pleasure to own". At least not any more than any other pedal you may have. Maybe if it was just a really good sounding pedal, that would make it seem special. But that doesn't have anything to do with the age, necessarily.
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