#1
Hey all, I've currently got a 2007 made in Japan Jacskon DKMG with active EMG pickups and a licensed floyd rose. I've had enough of the floyd and want to get rid of it for something with a fixed bridge (also having problems with adjusting the action) , so I've been given an offer to trade it with someone for a Schecter Damien Elite

Is this a worthwhile trade? What would the differences be, especially neckwise from experience? Thanks for the advice guys
#2
I used to own a Damien Elite. I traded it way due to the name, but honestly it played pretty nice. Sounded like a freight train when you put it into a proper amp.=) On the downside I've seen them sell used at GC for $250. (Granted it had a pretty ugly scratch on it.) The neck seems a bit curvier than the Jackson necks I'm used to. But it's not really a bad thing. It's actually really comfy near the nut.=)
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I'd say it's a pretty good trade, if you're trying to get out of the Floyd business (and with a Jackson licensed Floyd, I'm not surprised you're sick of it). I love Schecters, and the Damien Elite is a fantastic guitar for its price range.

Personally, though, I probably wouldn't do that trade, but strictly because I have a total boner for Japanese-made guitars. Every one I've played, from any brand, just feels so damn nice. Definitely a huge step up from any other Asian import country. I've played Japanese Fenders that felt better than any US-made Fender I've played, including select-series and custom shop models. I wish Schecter made some models in Japan. But it's okay, because Korea has stepped up a lot, and there are some very nice guitars coming from there. Schecter also uses an Indonesian factory for their lower-end models (including the Damien Elite), and while I don't think they feel as good as the Korean ones, they're definitely not bad, if they have a good setup.

I'd say play the Damien before accepting the trade, obviously, and if it feels good to you, go for it. Like I said, I wouldn't get rid of the Japanese Jackson, but just because I love Japanese guitars, and would never get rid of one if I had one. But that's just me.
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#4
Better idea. Put a real floyd in the Jackson
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Better idea. Put a real floyd in the Jackson

Seconding this.

The Jackson is a much nicer guitar than the Schecter, having owned a DK2M (more or less the same thing as the DKMG) and having almost owned a Damien Elite.
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#7
Or you could just block the trem in your Jackson and be done with it, you will notice a stronger tone with more sustaine too. I don't think I would ever get rid of my Japanese made Jackson you can't really beat the build quality at that price.
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Or you could just block the trem in your Jackson and be done with it, you will notice a stronger tone with more sustaine too. I don't think I would ever get rid of my Japanese made Jackson you can't really beat the build quality at that price.


+1

Although from experience a blocked trem is still not the same a a string thru. I don't have a lot of experience with Schecter but have own/have owned several Jacksons from JS series to USA and I always liked the Jackson necks better than Schecters.
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Better idea. Put a real floyd in the Jackson


+1

I'd much rather have the MIJ Jackson than the Schecter, especially since you can't get the Jacksons new any more.

Granted, if you really hate the Floyd it still might be worth it. But I'd think long and hard before basically (in my opinion) trading down.
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#10
All elitist bs aside. The big question is do you like Schecters "thin c" neck.

Sure the Jackson has a higher resale, but it has a Floyd too, that seems to always drive prices up.

They're both emg, bolt together so not much there. I'd say if you like schecter necks, do it.
#11
Am I the only one who loves the Jackson licensed trems?

I've had my dk2 since 2005 and the trem never goes out of tune. (The worst out of tune it's gotten is less than a cent off. but it rarely happens) I can dive bomb all I want and it stays in tune.

Meh, too each their own, I guess.
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Am I the only one who loves the Jackson licensed trems?

I've had my dk2 since 2005 and the trem never goes out of tune. (The worst out of tune it's gotten is less than a cent off. but it rarely happens) I can dive bomb all I want and it stays in tune.

Meh, too each their own, I guess.

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But yeah, when I bought my DK2M used, the Floyd just wouldn't stay in tune because the previous owner ruined the knife edges by adjusting the studs under full string tension. I replaced with a Schaller mainly for that reason, but I just hear more consistency with a proper OFR.
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Thanks for the replies guys, I just wondered. For those of you whom have owned both, how do the necks compare?
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+1

I'd much rather have the MIJ Jackson than the Schecter, especially since you can't get the Jacksons new any more.

Granted, if you really hate the Floyd it still might be worth it. But I'd think long and hard before basically (in my opinion) trading down.


i would have a hard time getting rid of a MIJ jackson again.

i did well off mine, but i don't know if i were to do it all over again i would sell it again.

schecter has always been rather meh for me. there are better and worse. i would take the jackson any day.
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#15
Any chance you can just put the Jackson down for a while and buy something else? Those Jacksons are nice and from others experiences there's normally regret in selling them.

$200 for an Original Floyd Rose and you should be in business again.

If you're having issues with the setup then maybe take it to a tech before you decide.
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Thanks for the replies guys, I just wondered. For those of you whom have owned both, how do the necks compare?

The DKMG's neck is wider, thinner, and flatter than the Schecter.
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i would have a hard time getting rid of a MIJ jackson again.

i did well off mine, but i don't know if i were to do it all over again i would sell it again.

schecter has always been rather meh for me. there are better and worse. i would take the jackson any day.


yeah i got a jackson dkmgt for a very good price just before they were discontinued. glad i did

and yeah i always found shecters a bit meh too- i haven't tried very many, though, and haven't tried any for several (5+) years, because there aren't any dealers here (i think ).
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Thanks for the replies guys, I just wondered. For those of you whom have owned both, how do the necks compare?


The Schecter is more rounded. They're actually very close to the same thickness, but the jackson will feel thinner because it's more flat around the back. Jackson calls it a U shape, while Schecter likens theirs to a C. I like the feel of both. I'm more used to Schecters, since I own two of them, but I don't feel inhibited playing a jackson.
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The Schecter is more rounded. They're actually very close to the same thickness, but the jackson will feel thinner because it's more flat around the back. Jackson calls it a U shape, while Schecter likens theirs to a C...


+1

I'd say that the Damien Elite's neck is going to be a little comfier because it fits a little better in your hand when you're playing rhythm stuff, but the Jackson feels better when you're playing leads. It's really just a preference thing on the neck shape. I don't own a Dinky but I do own a Jackson and the necks should be fairly close. I love my Jackson's neck, but the Damien Elite's neck...Maybe the frets were curved a bit more if I remember correctly? I liked it. Played great. Was my first experience with XJ sized frets and they're incredible. Bends are easier, tapping is better, hammers and pull offs, and the like. The Jackson has very close to the same fret size though. Just play both and see if you feel like doing it. Both are great guitars at the price range they're at.
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Hi Chaz. Tell Andrea I said hi.

But yeah, when I bought my DK2M used, the Floyd just wouldn't stay in tune because the previous owner ruined the knife edges by adjusting the studs under full string tension. I replaced with a Schaller mainly for that reason, but I just hear more consistency with a proper OFR.

Will do, bud.

And yeah, miss-using a trem like that will mess it up. I got mine new and never messed with the stud height after stringing the guitar.
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