#1
Hello all.

I've been enjoying quite a bit of thrash lately so........ ~turtle-head productions proudly presents.......~

Destructive

I think this is probably the best thing I have released so far (mixwise at least), but I guess everyone else has to be the judge of that.

Let me know what you like/dislike and I will of course return the favour.

Some people have commented on my previous track about the iffy soundin snare sample - just so people know, I'm not ignoring the crit - this track was already recorded and 90% mixed when I released the last one so I wasnt really up for going back and re-doing the drums. Rest assured the next release will have a new snare (whether it will be any better - I cant guarantee).

Cheers
#2
I love the mix, how did you record the guitars?

I don't really have any critique, except the drums are indeed maybe a little bit not-as-present as maybe some people would like it, because it would be more ''in your face''. But I like it the way it is too, it adds a rawer feel too it.

Awesome piece man! keep it up
#3
The mix sounds excellent and it heavy as ****, I love how audible the bass is.

Thrash really isnt my thing, but this fits the bill perfectly. Textbook thrash, I mean that in a good thing.

The vocals are really interesting I must say, like pseudo death grawls or something. I really like it but they seem to kinda overpower the rest of the instruments.

Spot on playing, I really like the layering and melodies after the first verse.

The drums sound really nice, even though they are(likely, correct me if I am wrong) MIDI programmed.

The outro fadeout is a very nice way to finish the song.
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#4
Thank you for taking the time to listen and comment.

@DENTS - The guitars are recorded by just running the mono-out from my Boss GT6 direct into the preamp on my Maudio DELTA OMNI Box. Add a little compression and some EQ and hey presto. Theres essentially 4 guitar tracks in pairs - one panned either side with fat, quite highly distorted sound, and another one either side about 75% with a thinner lower gain sound. It came out all right but I now feel the fatter distortion is too much and needs dialing back. I have the problem that the higher gain sounds sweet when I'm playing single notes (for the little lead licks) but when I start spanking out the Rhythm parts that ol buzzsaw starts a revving. Like everyone else, I keep chasing that perfect sound.

@Guitar0Player - the vocals are a perhaps a little high. I kinda suck most at mixing vocals. And you are correct - all drums are sequenced. If money permits I may invest in some mics and a suitable interface and preamps in the future. It's a pretty big outlay though, particularly given that I was never a competent drummer.

Cheers.
#5
Hey !

I liked your song, especially the guitar tone. It sounds really old school to me and I liked it^^. I think your song is well built. I don't have any negative critics haha, the mix is great and your playing too. Well maybe the drums which sounds a bit MIDI programmed, but most of us have the same problem haha.

Cheers !
#6
Hey dude,

Thanks so much for checking out my track and sharing this post.

I really enjoyed your track 'Destructive'. This has a very old school sound!
The first minute or so sounded very doomy, albeit a little repetitive (maybe a little more variation in the drum/cymbal section would spice this up). There's a nice mixture of metal genres in here, i.e. the doomy intro, death vocals, and laidback thrash grooves. There were some interesting ideas in here, but I wish there was a bit more lead work or a solo in here, because I feel like you would have 'destroyed' it :P.

Here are the specific moments which caught my attention:
0:00 - 0:50 very doomy intro
0:50 - I love that undeniable thrash beat that comes in here.
1:18 - The death vocals come in, I was not expecting them to be so gritty. This fits the style extremely well.
2:05 - Awesome chord sequence here, very Slayer-esque.

Cheers man, it sounds like you have some excellent command over your instruments. I don't have any suggestions for the mix itself. Keep on chugging!
#7
Also, not to be creepy or anything, but I just read that you're using a Linux environment to record your tracks, that's really awesome! Are you using special virtualization or emulation software like VirtualBox or Wine to run your DAW? What DAW are you using? Sorry for going off-topic.
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#8
Hello Silvadolla. Thanks a lot for the detailed crit - I really appreciate it.

In terms of additional lead parts - I am sadly lacking in skills when it comes to lead work and solos. It does leave me with gaps in tracks a times but until I develop more as a musician I'm a little stuck.

As for the Linux side of things - no need for Wine or any emulation software if you are happy to learn how to use the native software. For DAW I use Ardour - www.ardour.org . It's a really awesome piece of software. They do charge for it these days - but if you look at the pricing scheme you can see what great value for money it is.

In terms of plugins, synths, etc there are some good options available for free. The Calf Plugins Suite covers all the basic compressor, EQ, Gate, Delay etc plugins pretty well. For drums I use Hydrogen Drum Machine (a standalone app). Theres Zynaddsubfx for synth stuff. The list of applications and plugins is quite long - some I never find a use for - some I use in practically every track. Pretty much most audio functions have an option for native use.

There is obviously a limited number of options. Sadly most audio plugins and applications are not offered for linux use (overtonedsp and uhe are two valuable exceptions to this). This does mean that software used on windows cant be fired up in a linux environment (unless you use Wine and the steinberg vst lib - which is an unstable dark art that can lead to serious smashing-head-off-wall frustration). But to be honest I dont think the limitation of native applications is that severe for people like me who are in it just for fun. And anyone with pro-skills is likely to have the ability to make more of the options that are available. People have commented before that linux audio is 10 years behind the curve - I personally dont believe that. But even if it is true - most of my favourite music is 10 years old or more - and they got a pretty epic sound!

If you want to hear how god linux audio can sound (my stuff is not a great example) - check out the Ardour.org forum - they have a section for stuff created using Ardour - there are some seriously well recorded and mixed pieces on there.

Anyway, theres a variety of specialist audio distributions available for anyone who is interested. I'll quit raving about linux audio for the moment.

Cheers
#10
Overall pretty good, almost can't tell it is a drum machine if it weren't for the woopa-woopa parts (verse?) where something goofy happens to the snare and the overuse of the crash cymbal in the beat, no drummer will bang it for that long. The lead could've used more of a vibey/heavier reverb treatment and stood up a bit more.

Vocals were maybe too much heavily treated in a few spots.

BTW - if you're interested in collab I'd be happy to put in a lead in a song or something else, let me know.

Great job especially considering the you did the guitars in GT-6 - go tell the gear forum snobs that Boss COSM is crap and this is a processor from what? 15 years ago?

So Ardour started charging now? Ugh...I hear there is Tracktion on Linux as well. The move when I tried didn't quite work for me but maybe I'll give it another shot. Kudos for doing such a great job on Linux.

BTW, when you mean pro skills on Linux you mean Unix/Linux IT Admin guru right?
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#11
Yo dude,

The drums need a bit of EQ-ing on the hats especially, maybe on the snare too to make it a bit more punchy. Creative compression would do you well here. The guitar is a bit quiet too, turning down the drums or turning up the guitar would help you here. The vocals are an alright volume. The playing is not bad, perfectly clean and I cant hear any mistakes, sounds good.

C4C? https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1677368
#12
Quote by diabolical
Overall pretty good, almost can't tell it is a drum machine if it weren't for the woopa-woopa parts (verse?) where something goofy happens to the snare and the overuse of the crash cymbal in the beat, no drummer will bang it for that long. The lead could've used more of a vibey/heavier reverb treatment and stood up a bit more.

Vocals were maybe too much heavily treated in a few spots.

BTW - if you're interested in collab I'd be happy to put in a lead in a song or something else, let me know.

Great job especially considering the you did the guitars in GT-6 - go tell the gear forum snobs that Boss COSM is crap and this is a processor from what? 15 years ago?

So Ardour started charging now? Ugh...I hear there is Tracktion on Linux as well. The move when I tried didn't quite work for me but maybe I'll give it another shot. Kudos for doing such a great job on Linux.

BTW, when you mean pro skills on Linux you mean Unix/Linux IT Admin guru right?


Thanks man. I may take you up on the offer of collaboration in the future.

The GT6 seems to do ok for me. To be honest, since starting to record I have learned just how bad a musician I am, and how little I knew about how to create guitar tones (what processing is used etc). I bought that GT6 via ebay about a year and a half ago. Considering my hobby status, I think its fine.

As for Ardour charging - the minimum payment is pretty damned reasonable considering what you get. And it didnt require a degree in Linux computing to install either. But of course getting a work Jack system can be a pain in the ass for some people. Personally I have been pretty lucky and had it easy asides from one very odd issue I had with a particular mobo - that was weird and took some patience. It's always worth checking the main linux audio distributions to see how they are developing in my opinion. I have a few CDRW and DVDRW that I use from time to time. It costs nothing!

Do you have anything current for me to check out?

Cheers
#15
other people have already commented on the drum samples so i won't. the guitar sounds very mono, is it double tracked and panned? the vocals sound a little overprocessed, but your growling is otherwise pretty decent. i think the track is okay but it drags after 2:20. i get that you're trying to create a doomy atmosphere but somehow it doesn't quite work for me. hmmm... honestly i'm not sure how i would fix it lol

i think one part of it is that the chord progression from 2 minutes on doesn't create a feeling of tension and are only played with root/fifth. check out thou's track "free will" from their new album, there's so much tension in the part before the vocals come in and it's because of the chord voicings. maybe you could try stealing those and working them in
#16
very heavy dude!

a lot of variety in the guitar work, great work 2:35 on love the lead on that sounds great.
drums sound good, Vocals- Growling was good, wish it was a bit louder so i could hear more detail.
good song overall, could even make the ending longer that was enjoyable
#17
Awesomely ominous, dangerously dark music, uncompromisingly heavy. I would suggest that a louder mastering treatment, and stronger lower middle frequencies would improve this mix, it's not quite kicking as it should do, especially the bottom end of the guitars. Bit more attack and volume on the kick drum also.
Great vocal, meaty threatening low voice vies with a totally demonically possessed higher voice. A dulcet duet perhaps not, but a unique sound and perfectly suited to this apocalyptic music.
All instruments and parts performing well with the necessary sombre style.
This rewards repeated listening. I'd like to hear more of the unique vocal sound of the two voices together, never heard anything quite like it,,,,
C4C here.
#18
Thanks a lot for the comments everyone.

@rky

The guitars are definitely multi tracked. two separate tracks hard left and right with a hi gain setting and then 2 more individuals with lower gain panned around 75% left and right (4 tracks in total). Shame it doesnt seem to have a good effect.

@Jathon

The vocal style is basically the only one I can do - so expect to hear more in the future.

Cheers
#19
Yo! Solid track, mate!
I'm not a trash fan but i'll try

Mix wise
Hi hats are kinda loud, maybe take it down a couple levels and rise the snare a bit. It feels abit weak
Overall it has too much low frequencies. Maybe EQ the guitars with a bit more mids?
The bass tone is really good!
#20
I'll crit this in two phases.

Composition: Damn nice riffing there, has a really cool 80's Kreator vibe. Transitions come at the right places, riffs don't overstay their welcome, if you know what I mean. Your vocalist sure has some great chops, pretty brutal vocals there. Solos sound good, goes well with the general vibe of the song. The way you transition from full blast to half time really works wonders for the flow, as well as those dissonant harmonies in the background. Composition wise, really well done.

Mix: I don't like the mix. Note my words- I dont "like" the mix, it captures the old school thrash/death metal vibe very well, and I feel it would be quite pleasing to the ears of someone who likes that sort of thing, I just have a preference for "cleaner" production. IMHO the song would really come into it's own if you could make things a bit clearer and punchier, more high end to the guitars, balance the bass a bit, reduce those honky mids in the mix overall etc. A mix like this actually:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1lnxCBnAls


If you would prefer to go the old school way, then cant really help much, since It's not really my thing
#21
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I'll crit this in two phases.

Composition: Damn nice riffing there, has a really cool 80's Kreator vibe. Transitions come at the right places, riffs don't overstay their welcome, if you know what I mean. Your vocalist sure has some great chops, pretty brutal vocals there. Solos sound good, goes well with the general vibe of the song. The way you transition from full blast to half time really works wonders for the flow, as well as those dissonant harmonies in the background. Composition wise, really well done.

Mix: I don't like the mix. Note my words- I dont "like" the mix, it captures the old school thrash/death metal vibe very well, and I feel it would be quite pleasing to the ears of someone who likes that sort of thing, I just have a preference for "cleaner" production. IMHO the song would really come into it's own if you could make things a bit clearer and punchier, more high end to the guitars, balance the bass a bit, reduce those honky mids in the mix overall etc. A mix like this actually:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1lnxCBnAls


If you would prefer to go the old school way, then cant really help much, since It's not really my thing


Thanks for taking the time to listen and comment. I'm glad you liked the vocals (it's all me) - it's something I am quite self conscious about. For some reason I feel vocals are more personal than other instruments - like if I suck at vocals it's more personal than if I suck at guitar, like I could blame the instrument maybe. Anyway, glad it worked for you.

As for the production - I couldnt agree more. Believe me, if I could produce it to sound similar to Sylosis (who I hadnt heard until now - thanks for that) then I would do. I'm still in the infancy of recording and mixing so I start with a grand idea in my head of what it will sound like, end up with something nothing like that, and then tweak it until I get a "tolerable" sound.

Interesting you mention a lack of high end on the guitars - I started low passing around 7k (i think) to stop clashes with the cymbals. Maybe thats a bad idea. I will do a little more experimenting for the next track.

Cheers
#22
I like the intro riff it's catchy and leads well into the 2nd one. I thnk the vocals could use some work. mostly in the mixing aspect of thing, unless you were going for the super old school sound like original Sepultura. the leads at the end are probably my favorite part of the song.
#23
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Thank you for taking the time to listen and comment.


@Guitar0Player - the vocals are a perhaps a little high. I kinda suck most at mixing vocals. And you are correct - all drums are sequenced. If money permits I may invest in some mics and a suitable interface and preamps in the future. It's a pretty big outlay though, particularly given that I was never a competent drummer.

Cheers.


Know that feeling man, I recently recorded something with vocals and it still sound sorta alright at best to me.

Well the drums are very well sequenced and sound very good, Superior Drummer?
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#25
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Hydrogen Drum Machine actually - its a linux application.

Cheers



Well **** me sideways, An excellent VST for Linux? Dayum.
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#26
While I like the song the mix itself seems somewhat lackluster. The vocals actually remind me of Dethklok. The low-pitched singer almost sounds exactly like Nathan! I think an exciter plugin would benefit you well in this, in addition to a limiter/maximizer. Other than that the instrumentals are cool its just the mix that's kind of lacking pizzazz.
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