Poll: Should mentally disabled people have the right to vote?
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View poll results: Should mentally disabled people have the right to vote?
Yes
14 42%
They should be judged on a case-by-case basis
18 55%
No
1 3%
Voters: 33.
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#1
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-developmentally-disabled-voting-20150610-story.html


Basically, California makes mentally disabled people have to fill out their own registration forms to be able to vote. The ACLU and other organizations are calling it a test and therefore illegal.


It's an issue that I've never seen discussed, so I thought it'd be an interesting topic. How do you feel about it? Is the requirement a "test" similar to the old literacy tests? Should mentally disabled people have the right to vote? No, you are not original if you say "lol they already do lol lol". Not sure where I stand, but I leaning in opposition to the ACLU on this one. If the rights cannot be restricted based on awareness and mental faculty, what argument can be made to keep them from having guns? I find the idea of mentally ill people not being restricted from purchasing deadly weapons kinda terrifying.

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#2
If you can't fill in the registration form, how are you going to vote? Surely there is some reading involved in voting?

I feel stupid for posting that.
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#3
They have the right. I don't really know how you could do it any different.
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#4
They already do, they're called Republicans lolol.

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#5
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They already do, they're called Republicans lolol.

**** you I'll make my joke if I want

I honestly thought you were a republican.
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#6
Erik used to be the hero of the proletariat.


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#7
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I honestly thought you were a republican.

I've shifted to the right in recent years but not that far. I'm a capitalist with a social conscience.
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#8
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I've shifted to the right in recent years but not that far. I'm a capitalist with a social conscience.

Sounds 100% democrat to me. You don't have a socialist party in the USA anyway.
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#9
I understand the logic of it, but I can't say I agree with it. They have just as much right as any other citizen.
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#10
Quote by StewieSwan
Is the requirement a "test" similar to the old literacy tests?


it could be, and for that reason i answered 'yes' in the poll. it's a complicated question, i think, and it's easier and safer (for all of us) to let mentally disabled people vote like anyone else does.
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#11
I say if they're mentally disabled and still know enough about politics to want to vote then let them vote. People with serious mental disabilities aren't gonna know enough about politics to even want to vote, and if they do it's still their right to be able to vote.
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#12
how many mentally disabled people are really going to be voting? how much of an effect could it actually have? just let them do it, it'll make em feel good.
#14
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how many mentally disabled people are really going to be voting? how much of an effect could it actually have? just let them do it, it'll make em feel good.



It's an interesting argument, but if we take the "but how much will it really effect the outcome" could also be used by those in favor of having to present an ID when you vote. I mean, the number of people that can't vote because they don't have an ID is probably pretty small, so how much of an effect could it actually have?


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#16
Somebody in favor please address the gun point.
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#17
It really doesn't matter tbh, we should all know the peoples votes don't matter in the first place.
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#18
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Somebody in favor please address the gun point.


gun ownership certainly isn't a right like voting is, even if the constitution claims so. so that's my answer, but idk if everyone else answering yes will agree with me
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#19
Quote by StewieSwan
Somebody in favor please address the gun point.


Policy should be proportional to the associated risks?

How are the two even remotely related?

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#20
guns are controversial. Turns out mentally ill people are controversial also.

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#21
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Policy should be proportional to the associated risks?

How are the two even remotely related?

Are you having a stroke?


they're both protected equally by the constitution
what a joke right?
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#22
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gun ownership certainly isn't a right like voting is, even if the constitution claims so. so that's my answer,



Well that's a bad answer, cuz it's wrong within the context of American law.
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#23
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Well that's a bad answer, cuz it's wrong within the context of American law.


it's the only honest answer i can give.
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#24
There needs to be a 'TV-tracking-voters'-eyes' metric to prevent the dumb from voting based on the media, or how 'good' a politician did in the debates
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#25
Quote by StewieSwan
It's an interesting argument, but if we take the "but how much will it really effect the outcome" could also be used by those in favor of having to present an ID when you vote. I mean, the number of people that can't vote because they don't have an ID is probably pretty small, so how much of an effect could it actually have?



Why are you allowed to vote without an ID? How do they know you are the person whose name is on the ballot?
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#26
Quote by Eastwinn
they're both protected equally by the constitution
what a joke right?


I was going to say 'not MY constitution' but then I realized my constitution doesn't protect shit anymore
#27
Quote by Neo Evil11
If you can't fill in the registration form, how are you going to vote? Surely there is some reading involved in voting?

I feel stupid for posting that.

I agree with this.
#28
Every American citizen should have the right to vote, even if all they can do is drool on the ballot.

If they can't really show up to the polls and vote, that's fine, but everybody should be registered and able to. To do anything less legitimizes the idea that some people are unworthy of that right.
#29
Quote by Not a Les Paul
Every American citizen should have the right to vote, even if all they can do is drool on the ballot.

If they can't really show up to the polls and vote, that's fine, but everybody should be registered and able to. To do anything less legitimizes the idea that some people are unworthy of that right.


These are feel-good bromides, and nothing more. Almost every democracy on Earth has minimum voting age for a reason.
#30
If they are capable of getting to the polls, reading the options and voting, then I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to. If they are not mentally well enough to read or understand what they are reading, I doubt they are going to go to the polls in the first place.
#31
Okay, so you have to fill out your own form now.
Doesn't that also discriminate the bodily disabled (think no hands)?
#33
Case by case off course.

There are many people raised in biased households, where they choose what their surrounding chooses. Not surprisingly some states/areas will always have the majority of votes to a certain left or right party.

This alone is an indicator of bias for society itself.

So if you imply that disabled people can't choose because of lack of objectivity. I see no REAL difference between these people, and people who choose based on their environment.

Seeing as this biased environment is most likely far larger than truly disabled people, we should really look to a different group for un-objective sheep decision making. The only reason why this is accepted, is simply because they are not disabled, and thus can bullshit their way far easier through their choices. And know their way around the "social ladder".

Tldr;
Being "100% mentally healthy" does not mean you are objective by default either. This is ignorance at it's finest.

There is also the somewhat personal view of voting. Do you vote what directly enhances your situation, or should one amicably vote for a party who has the best overall solutions and has for example statistics and logic to back it up. Quality (for one group on the ladder) vs quantity.

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#34
Ideally no but given the manner in which a lot of people make their choice I'm not at all bothered by it. To be honest, sometimes I feel like just picking the winner via lottery might be the way to go.
#35
Quote by JamSessionFreak
Ideally no but given the manner in which a lot of people make their choice I'm not at all bothered by it. To be honest, sometimes I feel like just picking the winner via lottery might be the way to go.


What I've noticed is, when politicians mess up, we never look for answer to them, no.

We interview Professor X in economics of university Y.

Perhaps we should make it so that political parties consist of say a 50/50 split of visionaries and highly educated people in respective relevant issues. Then I don't mean people who just gone through schooling, but people who made accurate predictions and possibly wrote good works of practical usage after their time in school.

My intuition though says politics is just another "corporation" run by people who are very charming and can talk their way up, and this won't change anytime soon.

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#36
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Perhaps we should make it so that political parties consist of say a 50/50 split of visionaries and highly educated people in respective relevant issues. Then I don't mean people who just gone through schooling, but people who made accurate predictions and possibly wrote good works of practical usage after their time in school.


Meritocracies are ableist and classist, though.
Possibly they can even spin a sexist element to it, too.
Can you imagine the shitstorm?
#37
Quote by Rossenrot
These are feel-good bromides, and nothing more. Almost every democracy on Earth has minimum voting age for a reason.

The thing about age is that unless you have organized executions before the legal voting age, everyone gets to vote sooner or later.

And you and your opinion-buddies seem to use 'you're just saying that to make yourself feel better' a lot, assuming that everyone around you is a selfish bastard with no honest values that differ from your own.

Did you ever consider the idea that you're just projecting your own shitheadedness onto everyone else because you don't know any better and that your entire notion of 'the real world' is a delusion built off of your own emotional shortcomings because thinking that everyone else is just like you makes you feel better about yourself?
#38
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Meritocracies are ableist and classist, though.
Possibly they can even spin a sexist element to it, too.
Can you imagine the shitstorm?



I agree with the realistic problem. That said look at the church. Idealistically everyone should be be able to believe what they want too. But that means double standards. If people choose based on religion, people who are disabled should also vote from their mind.

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#39
I dunno. Yes? Maybe no? Probably (not) though.

From a personal liberty/equality standpoint and all that jazz - I guess.
As far as the benefit to society as a whole goes - probably not.
Overall/pragmatically - Sure. I can't see it doing much harm (but what do I know - correct me if I'm wrong).
Maybe you'll even manage to avoid a long and tedious discussion about ideals in which no one from either side will be convinced of anything other than what they already think, followed by no practical conclusion and just a lot of bitter people masturbating over how much better their analogy was.
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#40
Quote by ultimate-slash
I dunno. Yes? Maybe no? Probably (not) though.

From a personal liberty/equality standpoint and all that jazz - I guess.
As far as the benefit to society as a whole goes - probably not.
Overall/pragmatically - Sure. I can't see it doing much harm (but what do I know - correct me if I'm wrong).
Maybe you'll even manage to avoid a long and tedious discussion about ideals in which no one from either side will be convinced of anything other than what they already think, followed by no practical conclusion and just a lot of bitter people masturbating over how much better their analogy was.



It seems a recurring problem. Feelings vs logic. When people try to combine logic and emotions/visionary thinking, whether it be religion, music or political ideas, it always seems to clash.

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