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Yes it can be good
40 46%
No it is always bad
47 54%
Voters: 87.
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#1
I say yes. Thoughts?

edit: "Can" is a very key operative word here, of course.
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#2
just look at the MLP thread. that's meant as both an argument for and against the statement
#5
Nope, bullying is a bad thing. Always.

However, not all aggressive behavior is bullying, even if it involves expressed or implied threats of violence.
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#6
i remember in first grade the school bully challenged me to a game of chicken on the monkeybars. Basically you get the other guy to fall first. Anyway, so I'm up there with him, and I kicked him once and he fell and I was really proud of myself
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#7
little bit of teasing helps ground someone and stops them from getting too arrogant

but bullying to the point of ostracising them and making them a social outcast is bad, and its what causes "weirdos"
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#8
I wouldn't know I've never been bullied, I just kicked their ass .
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#11
I suspect the Social Justice Warriors on this site will want the poll to be public so that they can shame (bully) the people who voted Yes
#13
Yeah I used to get bullied and it just toughens you up a bit. Depends how harsh the bullying is though.

Goes without saying that a lot of bullying is really bad tho

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#14
depends on what we are referring to as "bullying" here. Every one is such a ****ing little bitch these days so what I think is bullying is probably worthy of jail time. I don't know how old any of you are but I'm sure there are some younger people on this board, but I'm sorry, the younger generations today are so screwed up and need to grow some balls for god sakes. I would never say bullying (ie. pushing/shoving, beating up, public humiliation, etc) is good because it causes problems down the road if not corrected, but I am all for some good teasing or horsing around or calling each other names and trash talk because most of the time it's all in good fun and you can just dish it back. I get the feeling these days if you would do such a thing you'd be looked at as an asshole.
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#15
No, I think that's where you have to draw a line between bullying and teasing. If a bully were to see you correct your behaviour because of something they did, they would aim to take greater advantage of it.
#17
by no you are asking me to rule out all levels of anything that could be considered "bullying" which would leave pretty much nothing, especially as the meaning of the term is now quite flexible depending on who you are talking to and how sensitive they are.

and then there is people having varying reactions to things so that in some circumstances being bullied ends up with the being a "better" person (against some unknown standard measure)

obvious yes, doesn't make "proper" bullying acceptable though, even if it may get results.


edit: should have just posted "absolute vs conditional, srsly dready? :goddamnrolleyes:" but w/e.
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edit: should have just posted "absolute vs conditional, srsly dready? :goddamnrolleyes:" but w/e.

You should have banned him for every so subtly making a versus thread.
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You should have banned him for every so subtly making a versus thread.



kinda messed up doing that to someone who was blue way before I was even orange.
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Define "bullying" and which negative social phenomena you believe it can correct.


No. I intentionally left it vague so that everyone can define it in their own ways, because I feel that to be important.
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No. I intentionally left it vague sp that everyone can define it in their own ways, because I feel that to be important.

In which case, the answer is (almost) always going to be "maybe."
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In which case, the answer is (almost) always going to be "maybe."


This seems to bother you, eh
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#23
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In which case, the answer is (almost) always going to be "maybe."



that's yes in this context.


stop being a wimp and just say yes.


(if this is bullying does forcing chris to make a firm choice teach him important values about decisiveness or does it not do anything at all and make chris just feel shitty about his weak-willed nature)
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This seems to bother you, eh

I'm not sure how one could properly answer the question any other way without more details.
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#25
The hypothetical scenario of "Child X does reprehensible or socially unacceptable thing, bullying makes them stop doing it" always baffles me, because I was the definition of conformity in school when I was bullied. Didn't wear stupid clothes, didn't do or like things that weren't ridiculously popular at the time, didn't talk about things that weren't okay or normal, etc., etc. The only things about me that were different from the school norm was A. very high grades and B. very poor performance in PE, which in hindsight I now know was caused by then-undiagnosed cases of Grave's Disease and severe exercise induced asthma, both of which I'm medicated for and completely fine for now.

It's not just kids making others who don't fit reasonable healthy conventions conform, and from my observations, to act like that's the majority of the cases is erroneous. Most of the times I've experienced and witnessed it's been about things like that Key & Peele sketch, or about getting a power trip. The victims aren't the ones in my observation who show a pattern that explains why it happens, the bullies are.

The targets aren't even weirdos that often, either. Most of the people at my school who were always doing weird shit or coming into school in strange clothing or otherwise being out-there and defying normal standards were at worst ignored, and oftentimes they were embraced and treated as weird and fun and cool. Rarely if ever were they mistreated for it. The victims are usually less people who are weird and out-there, and more people who are vulnerable. Puberty was kind enough to make me well over six feet tall and give me some muscle, and suddenly once I was a big guy, even though none of my attitudes or mannerisms changed, bullies disappeared, not because my behavior had been "corrected", but because I wasn't an easy target anymore. All through elementary school and middle school I was a constant target, always picked on, even though, again, at that time, nothing I liked or was into was weird or wrong. Then high school rolls around, I come back from summer big and tall, and suddenly the kids who tormented me are trying to be friends.

Then again I haven't done any massive research into the subject, so this is just one man's experiences and opinions.
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#27
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I'm not sure how one could properly answer the question any other way without more details.


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#28
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depends on what we are referring to as "bullying" here. Every one is such a ****ing little bitch these days so what I think is bullying is probably worthy of jail time. I don't know how old any of you are but I'm sure there are some younger people on this board, but I'm sorry, the younger generations today are so screwed up and need to grow some balls for god sakes. I would never say bullying (ie. pushing/shoving, beating up, public humiliation, etc) is good because it causes problems down the road if not corrected, but I am all for some good teasing or horsing around or calling each other names and trash talk because most of the time it's all in good fun and you can just dish it back. I get the feeling these days if you would do such a thing you'd be looked at as an asshole.

Yeah, jail for troubled minors Eh.


I think that certain forms of social exclusion can help a kid realize that they're being excluded for a reason, sometimes a good one. If they have the power of insight they'll realize that the reason is sometimes justified. Key word is "can", as you said.

Maybe the bigger question is why we don't admit that bad things can be positively capitalized on. I pose this with no specific agenda. The reason could genuinely be that they're just dangerous. Or our unwillingness to objectively view negative experience, refusing to emotionally indict ourselves in the process. Probably a mix of both.
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"I don't know how to think for myself"

I do know how to think for myself. I've obviously thought of the different possible answers that depend on how you would define the aspects of your question or we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Yeah, jail for troubled minors Eh.


I think that certain forms of social exclusion can help a kid realize that they're being excluded for a reason, sometimes a good one. If they have the power of insight they'll realize that the reason is sometimes justified. Key word is "can", as you said.

Maybe the bigger question is why we don't admit that bad things can be positively capitalized on. I pose this with no specific agenda. The reason could genuinely be that they're just dangerous. Or our unwillingness to objectively view negative experience, refusing to emotionally indict ourselves in the process. Probably a mix of both.


This is a good post
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#33
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This is a good post

More on my point, please note...
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I think that certain forms of social exclusion can help a kid realize that they're being excluded for a reason, sometimes a good one. If they have the power of insight they'll realize that the reason is sometimes justified. Key word is "can", as you said.

Maybe the bigger question is why we don't admit that bad things can be positively capitalized on. I pose this with no specific agenda. The reason could genuinely be that they're just dangerous. Or our unwillingness to objectively view negative experience, refusing to emotionally indict ourselves in the process. Probably a mix of both.

The vagueness is a total non-issue.
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#34
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I do know how to think for myself. I've obviously thought of the different possible answers that depend on how you would define the aspects of your question or we wouldn't be having this conversation.

So why not begin your answer by defining those aspects?
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So why not begin your answer by defining those aspects?

I'm not the one who asked the question.

Also, I think I'm experiencing abulia.
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#36
That is an interesting question really.

I'm going to say that I disagree. I think that people need some level of conflict, or to be challenged in some way personally, at some point in their lives. Like someone else said, that is a grounding experience and grants good perspective.

However, bullying to me implies something that is relentless and "unfair," and long term abuse like that is, in my opinion, unhealthy.
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However, bullying to me implies something that is relentless and "unfair," and long term abuse like that is, in my opinion, unhealthy.


It's factually unhealthy. Increased anxiety, depression, stunts brain development. The list goes on.
#38
Bullying sucks and I don't know what you really expect making people feel like shit is gonna fix, unless you just mean like telling them their new cowboy boots phase looks really dumb or something but that's not really bullying.

Like people used to make fun of this girl that ate her boogers a lot and messed with her all the time for it but she never quit eating boogers she just became this really quite girl that avoided everybody that also ate her boogers.
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#39
Bullying is a corrective social mechanism, but I wouldn't call it positive cause not every dominant social paradigm is necessarily good.

edit: Just read the OP and title correctly. Yes it can be a good corrective social mechanism. can also be a bad one.
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#40
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I'm not the one who asked the question.

Also, I think I'm experiencing abulia.

You're also not one of those who attempted to answer.

I know, I haven't answered in detail either
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