Poll: Which is more important?
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A socially liberal society
24 75%
An economically liberal society
8 25%
Voters: 32.
#1
A socially liberal society (personal freedoms etc.), or an economically liberal society? You can only pick one.

Discuss.

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#2
doesn't matter, people are going to flourish and people are going to die horribly either way.
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#3
Important for what end? Short sighted hedonism or future stability? The 2 are almost always mutually exclusive
#6
I actually don't get the question now that I think about it. Isn't it inherently loaded to pit social freedoms against free market capitalism? Cuz like, that's one view. Because the two aren't mutually exclusive if you believe in a free market (which I don't, but still).
#8
I'd rather have social liberalism as economic liberalism/individualism in general is ridiculous. One may limit and balance them, but freedom to oppress and exploit, and monopolise on that, needs to be crushed. Basic human rights and the safe freedom to love who you love, think what you think etc should be held as sacred, and right now they are not.

EDIT: yeah not sure what I was thinking with 'both', dont mind me.
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#9
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I actually don't get the question now that I think about it. Isn't it inherently loaded to pit social freedoms against free market capitalism? Cuz like, that's one view. Because the two aren't mutually exclusive if you believe in a free market (which I don't, but still).

This, a lot of people think that you can achieve both through one of the answers.

And can I get a more specific definition of 'social liberty' please. Social liberty would be good enough to name what I think is most important but I doubt I'd agree on what it means with most of the people who might choose the answer.
#10
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#11
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And can I get a more specific definition of 'social liberty' please. Social liberty would be good enough to name what I think is most important but I doubt I'd agree on what it means with most of the people who might choose the answer.
social liberalism usually refers to social justice, does it not? It's about granting freedom and equal rights without it being imposed by a dictator or oppressive regime.

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#12
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A socially liberal society (personal freedoms etc.)

We can't be trusted with too much freedom, we'll all kill each other
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An economically liberal society?

We can't be trusted with a liberal economy because we won't do whats best for humanity's existence.

So neither. Let's die.
#14
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We can't be trusted with too much freedom, we'll all kill each other

We can't be trusted with a liberal economy because we won't do whats best for humanity's existence.

So neither. Let's die.

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#15
Why can't we have one, but not the other?
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Why can't we have one, but not the other?


Because otherwise there is no discussion to be had

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#17
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Because otherwise there is no discussion to be had

Shouldn't have asked a question that poses a false dichotomy then.
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#21
Can't have social liberty without economic liberty.
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Can't have social liberty without economic liberty.


yeah.

but that can be interpreted in so many ways lol.
#24
moderate doses of both
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#26
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social liberalism usually refers to social justice, does it not? It's about granting freedom and equal rights without it being imposed by a dictator or oppressive regime.

also this

iunno does it?

i get confused by it sometimes
#27
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Important for what end? Short sighted hedonism or future stability? The 2 are almost always mutually exclusive
I'm gonna enjoy myself some shortsighted hedonism this evening baby
#28
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iunno does it?

i get confused by it sometimes
was semi rhetorical, but short answer: yes. long answer: yes if we go by the traditional definition, but it is sometimes mis-used in a similar way to mean economic liberalism, as well as social freedom to push against social norms without incarceration (often confused with criticism or vilification) and negative liberty.

Both terms are related to but not the same as positive and negative liberty, positive being freedom to pursue one's goals without interference from social prejudices and internal constraints, whereas negative liberty is freedom from interference, something related to economic liberalism in that you have the freedom to exploit in the name of your own goals, etc. Positive liberty is the friend of liberalism, whereas negative liberty is the friend of the libertarian.
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