#1
What's up everybody? I'm in the market for a little tube amp. Currently I have a peavey 6505+ 112 combo, like it alot but circumstances in life have changed where it's too much of an amp for me these days.

Living in a studio apartment with neighbors paired with not really focusing on gigging, plus not really playing heavier gain much these days has me wanting a low watt tube.

Like in the title, i'd prefer it to have a 3 band eq, and 2 channels. My favorite thing about the 6505 is that it has an independent 3 band eq for each channel, if any thing can provide that that'd be ideal.

And although I don't play out nearly as often as I used to it would be nice to be able to keep up with a drummer volume wise if needed, and if I ever have urges to play high gain stuff again the capacity to do so would be nice.

Maybe a tall order, and maybe I should use a couple pedals and an external cab instead of having all these options on the amp itself but what do you guys have for me?

Stylewise I guess the closest I play is a hendrixy and queens of the stoneage type of sound with classical guitar influences, and currently I have a gibson lp with p90 pickups, and I have an ibanez weeping demon wah pedal.

Most important of course, price. Ideally I'd like to spend less than $500 but I'd like to see any options above that, i can save longer if needed. And although I'd prefer new I'm open to used amps, especially if they're not listed on musicians friend or whatever.

Any recommendations are appreciated, including suggestions about using pedals and cabs instead of the amp.

Thank you!

EDIT: Range of desired tones
rhythm in be forwarned- pentagram
solo in November rain- GNR
solo in All along the watch tower (hendrix version) - right before the delayed wah where it sounds like a slide guitar
And whatever is closest to nylon string classical guitar.
Last edited by mepmep at Jul 21, 2015,
#2
Pretty good OP there mepmep !

You touched on most of what we look for when trying to help someone else out.

There are lots of amps (especially used) that will work very well for you.

My only questions are:

How will you prefer to get your distortion? Amp or pedals?
What is your perfect clean tone?
Where do you live?

Thanks,
#3
thanks haha. Yeah this isn't my first rodeo, been using this site for years now, really helped me grow as a guitarist. To answer your questions Im sorry but I'm not really sure to be honest. ive always depended on the amp for the distortion, never had any troubles doing it that way, granted I've only really used the big muff and the d-s 1 and my experience with over drive pedals is almost non existent. As for my ideal clean sound I also play nylon string classical guitar so whatever's closest. But the solo in hendrix's version of all around the watch tower right before the delayed Wah where it sounds like a slide guitars like my favorite tone ever.

Where I live though, I can answer that, st Pete Florida right by tampa. Any suggestions? Thank you
#4
Well, I'm sure you have plenty of distortion today with your 6505 LOL

I guess where I was going with that is that you specified a 2 channel amp. You have a 2 channel amp now but it doesn't have what I consider a true clean channel (even though I have heard some nice clean tones from it in demos). So I was trying to determine how good of clean channel you were looking for.

Also, doesn't Jimi use mostly fuzz boxes for his disti?

Doesn't appear on the surface that you need a high gain amp. Hit it with an OD or fuzz for your heavier stuff.

That said - there are lots of amps that fit that category. New? Maybe. I find most of the new sub $500 two channel amps to be not that great. Maybe an Egnater of some sort like a Tweaker or Rebel. Peavey Classic 30 would be good but they are $600 new last time I checked.

Therefore, I'd go used. I'm not from Florida but I know the State pretty well. As a matter of fact, my wife is at the family condo in St. Pete as we speak with a girlfriend.

What about this stuff?


http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/msg/5104035048.html Crate V3112
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/msg/5110662037.html Crate Palo V50
http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/msg/5111469367.html Fender Super Champ XD
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/msg/5083231704.html Traynor YGM-3
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/msg/5092306586.html Peavey Triumph 60 (needs cab)
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/msg/5090233247.html Line 6 Flextone III
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/msd/5124897045.html Ampeg VT22
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/msd/5124888195.html Ampeg Gemini
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/msg/5124278525.html Peavey Vypyr VIP 2
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/msg/5085089966.html Line 6 Vetta II
http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/msg/5096164475.html Traynor YCS 50
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/msg/5118470161.html Fender Blues Jr
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/msg/5095016993.html Peavey Valveking + cab
http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/msg/5110631111.html Orange Tiny Terror (needs cab)
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/msg/5084431118.html Carvin MTS
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/msg/5104266917.html Vox AC15C1
http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/msd/5095111376.html Orange Tiny Terror
http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/msd/5095092819.html Peavey Classic 50
http://orlando.craigslist.org/msd/5124827021.html Ampeg VT60
http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/msd/5100704483.html Crate Blue Voodoo (needs cab)
http://orlando.craigslist.org/msd/5053353417.html Vox AC30
http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/msd/5086888702.html Crate V100 (needs cab)
http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/msd/5086888153.html Crate V1512
http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/msg/5100778299.html Marshall Class 5
http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/msg/5131479288.html Line 6 Spider Valve
http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/msg/5079062363.html Vox VT120
http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/msg/5106064014.html Peavey Vypyr VIP 3
http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/msg/5084246728.html Randall RM50 w/2 modules (needs cab)
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/msg/5124550412.html Peavey Classic 50
http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/msg/5111733389.html Sovtek Mig50
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/msg/5075543741.html Peavey Vypyr Tube 60 (looks just like mine)
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/msg/5060683222.html Peavey Ultra (needs cab)


Not all of these are 2 channel mind you but they will do what you want.

For new amps, maybe an Egnater or Jet City.

There are others, but they are not jumping out at me.


This post #2 in here is mostly what I was sort of referencing earlier
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1588141
Last edited by 311ZOSOVHJH at Jul 20, 2015,
#5
Put a 12au7 in v1 and a 12at7 in the PI of your 6505+ before you go spending a pile of money on a new amp. You may be very surprised at the results.
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#6
^ definitely not a bad thing to try.

That and those tubes can move on to the next amp easily if you move on.


That said, I am making some inferences from his posts that the 6505 is just not for him. For his style. Totally get that.

The low watts, pushed overdrive, p90s, nylon string passages, jangly tones, etc etc

Not the 6500's fortee
#7
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
^ definitely not a bad thing to try.

That and those tubes can move on to the next amp easily if you move on.


That said, I am making some inferences from his posts that the 6505 is just not for him. For his style. Totally get that.

The low watts, pushed overdrive, p90s, nylon string passages, jangly tones, etc etc

Not the 6500's fortee


This- And thank you very much for your suggestions in your other post, looking through all of them.

I used to be in a gigging metal band, just not my style anymore.
#8
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
^ definitely not a bad thing to try.

That and those tubes can move on to the next amp easily if you move on.


That said, I am making some inferences from his posts that the 6505 is just not for him. For his style. Totally get that.

The low watts, pushed overdrive, p90s, nylon string passages, jangly tones, etc etc

Not the 6500's fortee


Yeah, but he's got a +, which already has a better clean channel than the 6505, and reducing gain in those two places entirely changes the character of the amp. It may not be what he wants, but I'm betting it will be surprisingly close.

And it's $25...
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
Charles Darwin
#9
Quote by Arby911
Yeah, but he's got a +, which already has a better clean channel than the 6505, and reducing gain in those two places entirely changes the character of the amp. It may not be what he wants, but I'm betting it will be surprisingly close.

And it's $25...

hmm, now that seems like its defiantly worth checking out. but will it reduce the volume? 60 watts is just too much head room for me to get the tubes singing in my apartment. And PI and vi I'm guessing are positions for the powertubes and the preamp? Sorry, not too technically fluent in amp terms.
#10
Quote by mepmep
hmm, now that seems like its defiantly worth checking out. but will it reduce the volume? 60 watts is just too much head room for me to get the tubes singing in my apartment. And PI and vi I'm guessing are positions for the powertubes and the preamp? Sorry, not too technically fluent in amp terms.


V1 is the first tube in the signal chain, PI is the Phase inverter, the last tube before the power tubes.

NO amp is going to let you get conventional power tube distortion in your apartment. 5 Watts cranked to power tube distortion is going to have the neighbors forming a lynch mob.

If you really, really need power tube distortion, you first need a new house...

The tubes I suggested will make the 6505+ significantly more manageable, the gain knobs will have more low end effectiveness and it's very likely you will be able to achieve what you need for a clean(ish) blues/rock tones that go from clean to dirty with the volume knob and some picking dynamics.

And if it's still not for you, it's $25 and a few minutes of your time and a couple of spare tubes. Don't let your amp's reputation as a "metal" amp ruin it for you, with a few tube changes it's not really the same amp anymore...
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
Charles Darwin
Last edited by Arby911 at Jul 21, 2015,
#11
So I would clarify, are you really asking for amp suggestions that sound good at apartment volumes AND gig volumes vs. a low watt amp. They are not the same. . . .

The best "cranked tube" sound you can get at apartment volumes (assuming you mean power tube distortion) is probably amp sims on the computer (minimum about $20 up to several hundred) and some good monitor speakers/headphones ($150ish for the headphones and variable for the monitor speakers but you can use your normal computer speakers to start). Then you have an actual amp for gigs.

Second would be something like a Line6 POD HD500X (used for $350) and a powered PA Wedge. Volume down or headphones at home and volume up for gigs or just plug the POD into the PA directly.

Or an amp that sounds good to you at both apartment and gig volumes.
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#12
Quote by metalmingee
So I would clarify, are you really asking for amp suggestions that sound good at apartment volumes AND gig volumes vs. a low watt amp. They are not the same. . . .

The best "cranked tube" sound you can get at apartment volumes (assuming you mean power tube distortion) is probably amp sims on the computer (minimum about $20 up to several hundred) and some good monitor speakers/headphones ($150ish for the headphones and variable for the monitor speakers but you can use your normal computer speakers to start). Then you have an actual amp for gigs.

Second would be something like a Line6 POD HD500X (used for $350) and a powered PA Wedge. Volume down or headphones at home and volume up for gigs or just plug the POD into the PA directly.

Or an amp that sounds good to you at both apartment and gig volumes.

I'm not necessarily looking for apt volumes and gig volumes, more keeping up with an occasional drummer. Am I wrong to think that if I needed more volume I could potentially plug into an external cab for a gig?

Also, the post or 2 above said 5 watts would definitely be able to do the higher volume desires I have but of course it would cause a neighbor lynchmob. the computer sims is a good idea I haven't thought of yet but i am slightly biased against going that route, i have a line6 pod ux2 and although it's convenient it's not really what I'm looking for, and my computer isn't too reliable in any case. Im sure the hd version is better but based on my experience with the ux2 im not really interested.

Thank you very much though, as I said all input is greatly appreciated.
#13
It isn't 2 channels or tube, but this may be worth checking out for those classic tones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrhVUHQXopk&feature=player_detailpage

They run $100 new and there are several different models
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#14
I wouldn't use a 5 watt amp for high gain metal. Period.

You need 20w or higher in my opinion. This really isn't about watts anyway. It is about how good the amp sounds at lower volumes.

I still say find a used Peavey Vypyr 60.
#15
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
I wouldn't use a 5 watt amp for high gain metal. Period.

You need 20w or higher in my opinion. This really isn't about watts anyway. It is about how good the amp sounds at lower volumes.

I still say find a used Peavey Vypyr 60.

I was suggesting for quiet practice and the price point. I thought they were 15watt though, at 5watts I'd pass even at the price for what TS wants
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2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
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GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate