#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6IRZVsghJo
I like the sound of this.

I'm in a daydreaming mood, looking at aspirational amplifiers. I know that the simplest answer would be to find a Red Bear when the time is right, but right now I'm more interested in finding out what other amps might occupy the same general tone-space.

Just gotta say that I've never looked into gain-ey amps before today.
I've never played a 6505 or a Marshall or anything hotter than a Deluxe Reverb. My point being - you're gonna have to dumb it down for me. Like - "intro to gain - for newbs".

But for real - I've only played a few Fender tube amps and some solid state amps. I'm a newborn sheep, Baaaaaaaaaaa, lead me to the slaughter.
#3
Not sure if this helps, but my fender bassman with the channels jumped and everything cranked rocks pretty hard. Especially if you boost that. It's pretty incredible.
Originally posted by primusfan
When you crank up the gain to 10 and switch to the lead channel, it actually sounds like you are unjustifiably bombing an innocent foreign land.


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#5
That sounds pretty doomy actually. Also sounds like it has a boost in the front. You could look at a Laney GH or VH, or a lower wattage Orange OR.
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Electra Omega Prime Ceruse
Fender Franken-Jag Bass

Amps and the like:
Laney VH100R
Seismic Luke 2x12
Dunlop 105Q Wah
Gojira FX 808
Line 6 M9
#6
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
Paul....dude

you know how we roll around here


https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31052894&postcount=2

But yeah, that Red Bear is bad ass.


I just trying to learn sir. :-D
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I've got a micro cube and a zoom g3 and a 15 watt solid state Kustom. I will upgrade one of those to a superchamp xd later.
I've begun assembling an 18 watt Marshall clone, so I'll have that when that is done.
I was thinking about the MTS Randalls but when I look at the modules I'm like "xtc? Soldano? Krank? Etc...."
It's a little overwhelming. So many names and I don't know what any of them sound like.

I know I like that red bear, but the guy in the video has modified his. (His red bear sounds cooler than some of the others) He also swears that it's the guitar straight into the amp but not sure if I should trust him.
#7
Useful things that I learned today:

Mesa Lone Star sounds pretty good, but it's not quite there.
If the Red Bear = 10/10
Mesa Lone Star = 8/10
The JCM 2000 sounded a little better, but it sounds like the recordings were better. My listening today made it sound like:
JCM 2000 DSL50 = 8.5/10
but it sounding better than the Mesa might just be a function of watching compressed videos on youtube through desktop speakers. I could see myself flopping on those two if I had them right in front of me.

I watched more Laney vids than any of the others and I liked them, but not as much as the others. One of the comments said that Laneys are voiced to cut through the mix in a band setting. I wouldn't know anything about that. I'm curious about that opinion. I'd say that the Laneys were more like:
Laney GH50 - 6/10

It makes me wonder how much of the sound of the amp in the Red Bear video is affected by the microphone? I suppose it could just be a case of good acoustics or something like that.

The Orange amps didn't quite hit the spot either, but I had a happy accident. I was on a video recorded by MusicStoreLive. I like their vids because they record in a studio with a competent guitar player and they mic the amps. It makes the recordings consistent at least.
I rolled out of an OR15 video (which was okay) into a Tiny Terror video and I think I liked the Tiny Terror better. I don't know why.
I also have looked at a bunch of Valveking vids in the past week and I'm pretty certain that a Valveking won't do it for me.
#8
These types of threads are really difficult as there is so much subjectiveness.

"Hey guys, what are some awesome amps and explain to me everything I need to know"

My suggestion is to learn like I did, and most here did. Read. Listen. Play.

Barring that, maybe get a good modeling amp so you can narrow down what you like.
#9
I think it's helping me.
I think it's fair to say that I have a way of turning a simple question into a complicated question. I'm sorry for that.

I think I'm learning that I like Marshall sounds more than Laney and Orange. That's useful. I can spend the rest of the day researching the difference between DSL and TSL, 800 vs 900 vs 2000, etc... It's a good way to start the day.
#10
I realize you are not planning on buying an amp right now. The things we ask for are designed to help us help you make these types of decisions.

Where you are in the world, how you plan to use the gear, how much you are willing to spend are all very important.

If you have an unlimited budget then I may suggest a Two Rock amp for cleans and a Splawn Quick Rod or EVH 5153 Stealth for your marshally tones.

If you have a limited budget then I may suggest a Blues Jr for cleans and a JCM2000 DSL100 for your dirt. Or a two channel amp that can do both decently or even a modeling amp.

There are TONS of amps out there based on the Marshall tone stack, so you have lots of options.

But my definition of 'Amps that Rock' may be different than the next person.

I'm not reporting you or anything, you are free to create whatever threads you want. Besides, it is pretty slow around here lately.
Last edited by 311ZOSOVHJH at Jul 21, 2015,
#11
The Zoom G3 has a 2-Rock amp emulation. It seemed like one of the better sounding ones. The Zoom is still a little bit above my head. I'm learning to use it better, but when it gets to cab sims and pedals it seems like it's pretty easy to turn a nice sound into a bad sound.

I wouldn't say that the budget is unlimited, but I think that if I fell in love with something (within reason - say 1500$ used or less) I'd find a way to save up for it. I'm getting kind of tired of accumulating cheap stuff already.

Central Pennsylvania. I could justify a trip to NYC, DC, Philly, Baltimore or Pittsburgh for the right piece of gear.

List of bands that sound rockin' to me:
RatM
Rammstein
Big Wreck
Tool
Metallica
Megadeth
I'm guessing JCM 800 for at least a few of those?


I don't know when or if I'll ever get around to recording but I think it's more likely that I'd record at home than gig. I'm pretty old and I don't have musician friends aside from you guys here, so I never even considered about gigging. It's not likely - I'll put it that way.
Last edited by paul.housley.7 at Jul 21, 2015,
#12
OK....I couldn't help myself. It's a disease I have.

These are all amp I would consider.

There are several Mesa Rectifiers including a Tremoverb, Ceriatone Chupa, JTMs, JCMs, Budda, EVH 5153, Randall MTS, Line6 DTs, Egnaters, etc etc.


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#14
If you like the Marshall tone, the JCM2000 DSL50/100 is really hard to beat price wise.

But going used you can score a Splawn QR or Nitro for <$1300

Krank has the new 1980 II Jr in a 20 watt ,50watt and 60watt (w/6550) or you can wait for the full sized 1980 II
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
#16
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
There is a Splawn Competition 50w up there for $950.

This would be my choice
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2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
#17
Oh.....
I thought the splawn was awesome, but in a "that's for somebody else" kind of way.
I don't know how to explain. I thought it was maybe the coolest amp out of all of them, but it didn't feel right in any of the recordings.
In the same general category of "I'd love this amp if someone else was playing it" I've got the 5150 as well.

The most interesting for me were the Genz Benz (which I never even heard of) the various Mesas (obvious?), the Badcat Cougar ( budget option?) and the Marshalls.

The only recordings that really got my attention was a demo of a 2203 (JCM800) and one of the Mark IV Mesa Boogie.

So now I'm really zeroing in on Marshalls. I suppose it's a little boring of me. :-/

But still -productive thread.
Last edited by paul.housley.7 at Jul 21, 2015,
#18
i can get a simlar sound out of my Peavey Ultra pretty easily. honestly i didn't her anything all that awesome coming from that red bear. sure it sounded good but it seemed like the gain was to high
#19
RM100 loaded with boutique modules from Salvation and/or Jaded Faith.

http://salvationmods.com/index.php?page=modifications
http://www.jadedfaithmods.com/mts-mods.html
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
Last edited by Cathbard at Jul 21, 2015,
#20
hi guys, I'm a new guitarist (about a year) and am about to invest in a new amplifier. should i get an Orange Crush 35RT or a Marshall Mg50CFX
#21
Quote by littlemusicman
hi guys, I'm a new guitarist (about a year) and am about to invest in a new amplifier. should i get an Orange Crush 35RT or a Marshall Mg50CFX


Probably a lot of better choices in that price range. Check the amp sticky and get back to us with specifics.
"Your sound is in your hands as much as anything. It's the way you pick, and the way you hold the guitar, more than it is the amp or the guitar you use." -- Stevie Ray Vaughan

"Anybody can play. The note is only 20 percent. The attitude of the motherfucker who plays it is 80 percent." -- Miles Davis

Guthrie on tone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmohdG9lLqY
#22
Paul, it sounds like you are all about that Brit crunch so check out Marshall, Orange, Laney and see if you find your next rockin amp.
"Your sound is in your hands as much as anything. It's the way you pick, and the way you hold the guitar, more than it is the amp or the guitar you use." -- Stevie Ray Vaughan

"Anybody can play. The note is only 20 percent. The attitude of the motherfucker who plays it is 80 percent." -- Miles Davis

Guthrie on tone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmohdG9lLqY
#23
Hey, for anyone *really* interested in hearing real amps first hand (as opposed to a random YouTube vid) in the SoCal area, the LA Amp Show is October 3rd and 4th.

http://www.ampshow.com/

A Kemper is one of the door prizes. Not only are there companies here that you will NOT see at Guitar Splinter or SmAsh, but there are the people that build these silly things, either standing next to them in one of the private rooms OR answering questions on panels. Further, there are guitarists you've heard of who will be standing shoulder-to-shoulder and cheek by jowl with you in these rooms wearing the same t-shirts and jeans/shorts that you are and who may be beating on the amps/guitars when you walk into the room. What questions do you have for Elliot Easton or Carl Verhayen or Bruce Egnater or Brian Wamper. Buy them a beer and ask away!!

I love these things. For two whole days, the mental constipation and the verbal diarrhea of computer forums stops and you get to play as much of this stuff with your own hands and hear it with your own ears, *cranked*. Get on a plane, borrow a car, take a road trip. Get there early enough on the first day and you get a free pick. What more could you ask?

I have absolutely NO affiliation with anyone putting on this show, nor any of the vendors.

C'mon, Housely -- get out here and listen to the actual amp you're interested in.
#24
Hey Paul, swing by Cleveland and pick me up on your way to LA.


I agree with Ibanezguitars44. The difference between my RM with the Blackface module and with the 1086 module is a decent distortion pedal. I use a frickin' Mustang through the Blackface module, kick on the Crunch Box and all hell breaks loose, its a hi gain Marshall. (I should warn I'm not a metal guy, but I have played on high gain amps numerous times.) Its impressive. And when I kick off the pedal I get classy, glassy cleans.

Don't be scared of the RM, I'm sure you recognize a lot of the modules and have an idea of what they'd sound like. Get 1,2,3 you think you'll like and then you've got the rest of your life to figure out the rest of the modules. It's not a difficult amp at all (well, except for tube rolling, it gets complicated) and they seem to go pretty cheap in our general area. There was an RM100 with 3 modules on Cleveland craigslist for a long time for $650, probably coulda got it for $550. I only paid $350 for my mint RM20 with Blackface module and a spiffy cover. They come stock with a Greenback too. Kickass lil amp, killed my amp GAS.


I also agree with the obvious solution of the JCM2000.
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#25
start googling friedman amps.

im sorry. i just ruined you mind and budget. perhaps forever.
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