#1
Anybody who is in favor of banning abortion altogether is living in a fantasy world. Abortion will always be allowed at least early on in a pregnancy. Late term abortions are a much more debateable subject because as a fetus grows it becomes more human and life-like. Should abortions be legal late in a woman's pregnancy (excluding instances in which a mother's life is threatened because obviously)?

In case you were wondering, here are the countries that currently allow late-term abortions:

Canada
United States
China
North Korea
Netherlands
Singapore
Vietnam
#3
nah I think late-term should only be reserved for emergency situations (fetus death, rape resulting in pregnancy w/ mother being prevented from earlier-term abortion, etc.)


in other cases, I think there should be recommended adoption services + counseling
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#4
a person can abort the baby at any point until it's outside of them imo

if someone wanted an abortion the day they were supposed to go into labor I wouldnt call it murder
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#5
I was thinking about making a thread on this topic just earlier today. Seems like just what the pit needs to argue about.

Rape-based pregnancies are probably where I'd draw the line, but proving that it was a rape is very difficult.
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#6
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a person can abort the baby at any point until it's outside of her imo

if someone wanted an abortion the day they were supposed to go into labor I wouldnt call it murder


after 27 weeks of pregnancy, there is a 90% chance of survival, after 30 week thats 95%. 34 weeks is 98%. So The difference between murder and late term abortion for you is just 3%?

Imo, its murder either way. Just make abortion available for everyone at early stages of pregnancy. lets say 24 weeks as it is 50% survival rate break point. Free of charge, free of trial and exceptionally confidential.
#7
Nah like why wouldn't you get that shit taken care of earlier.
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#8
What we need are artifical wombs. That way, no woman need ever end up with a vagina like a wizard's sleeve ever again.
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Nah like why wouldn't you get that shit taken care of earlier.


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Nah like why wouldn't you get that shit taken care of earlier.

I have heard of a lot of incestual rape cases where the pregnant girl is restrained by family members from access to transportation or anything else you would need to get to an abortion clinic or doctor
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a person can abort the baby at any point until it's outside of them imo

if someone wanted an abortion the day they were supposed to go into labor I wouldnt call it murder

then what would be distinction between aborting the baby the day before labor and killing the newborn right after labor? is that not essentially infanticide?
#16
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a person can abort the baby at any point until it's outside of them imo

if someone wanted an abortion the day they were supposed to go into labor I wouldnt call it murder

So, if you were to open the mother up for a c-section, would it not be murder if you stabbed the baby before taking it out?
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then what would be distinction between aborting the baby the day before labor and killing the newborn right after labor? is that not essentially infanticide?

It's a part of you before and its own entity after
#18
Don't abort that baby, that would be no fun,
Let the baby grow up, you can kill it when it's twenty-one.

Don't abort that baby, allow it to live,
Think of all the fun that little kid could give.
If it is a boy, you can shred its teddy bear.
If it is a girl, you can shave off all its hair.
Teach it obscene words when it's learning how to talk,
Get it ****in' drunk when it's learning how to walk.

Don't abort that baby, that would be no fun,
Let the baby grow up, you can kill it when it's twenty-one.

Before it goes to bed at night take away its breath,
Tell it that the boogie man will clobber it to death.
Don't let it take a shower so its friends will not come near,
Then start a nasty rumor that your little kid is queer.
It doesn't really matter cause soon there'll be a war,
That's all we really need those little bastards for.

Don't abort that baby, that would be no fun,
Let the baby grow up, you can kill it when it's twenty-one.
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#19
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So, if you were to open the mother up for a c-section, would it not be murder if you stabbed the baby before taking it out?


The Japanese have a lot of info on that
#20
I'm also in the camp that would reserve that just for emergency/extreme situations.
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#21
I’d accept a ban on late-term abortions if the anti-abortion crowed would concede to free distribution of birth control, mandatory sex ed starting in fourth grade—including home school and parochial school—and subsidies to encourage adoptions. But that won’t happen because what anti-abortion activists care about is putting their theocrat leaders in control of other people’s lives.
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I’d accept a ban on late-term abortions if the anti-abortion crowed would concede to free distribution of birth control, mandatory sex ed starting in fourth grade—including home school and parochial school—and subsidies to encourage adoptions. But that won’t happen because what anti-abortion activists care about is putting their theocrat leaders in control of other people’s lives.

let's poke holes in all of their condoms!!!


nah but then those poor kids would be stuck with them
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#23
i think the uk's laws are pretty good on abortion

up to 24 weeks, which is roughly the time the brain is really getting going and there's something that resembles a human being there. after that i think the concept of an unborn child is a real one and should be treated as such
#24
I'm Pro-abortion.

Not even pro-choice. I think people should be required to actively prove they deserve to have a child.
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#25
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I'm Pro-abortion.

Not even pro-choice. I think people should be required to actively prove they deserve to have a child.


its unpopular and kind of harsh, but I do agree. I've seen so many shitty parents raising kids that then grow into shitty people who then have more shitty kids. It'd really help to just end that whole cycle

plus overpopulation and stuff
#26
^ Ideally I would be down for that but idk how it could happen without it falling into the hands of some fascist government officials who think that you have to be a certain religion to have kids or some dumb shit
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^ Ideally I would be down for that but idk how it could happen without it falling into the hands of some fascist government officials who think that you have to be a certain religion to have kids or some dumb shit


Mandatory How not to be a shit parent classes would go a long way, maybe even have a test/exam at the end of them that determines whether or not you can procreate
#28
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a person can abort the baby at any point until it's outside of them imo

if someone wanted an abortion the day they were supposed to go into labor I wouldnt call it murder

this tbh
#29
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Mandatory How not to be a shit parent classes would go a long way, maybe even have a test/exam at the end of them that determines whether or not you can procreate

I think the exam could fall under the same weird fascist lines unfortunately but classes are a really solid idea


the only reason I worry about the weird fascist stuff is because the US had been sterilizing different populations of people for years, usually for eugenic purposes, up until pretty recently.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/nativevoices/timeline/543.html
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/gendersexuality/tp/Forced-Sterilization-History.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization

1970
The Nixon administration dramatically increases Medicaid-funded sterilization of low-income Americans, primarily Americans of color. While these sterilizations are voluntary as a matter of policy, anecdotal evidence later suggests that they are often involuntary as a matter of practice as patients are often misinformed, or left uninformed, regarding the nature of the procedures that they have agreed to undergo.
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#30
I think late term abortions are acceptable only in extreme circumstances - eg if the woman's life is at risk, if the pregnancy was the result of rape or if there is something seriously wrong with the baby (like it has serious brain damage and will be born a vegetable or something)

If the baby is going to turn out fine and the parents dont want it, give it up for adoption instead. Especially if it's their own stupid fault they made the baby in the first place.
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#31
Unfortunately, it's often very difficult to prove that a rape victim was not consenting. So rape victims that may otherwise be entitled to abortion (hypothetically) may not get an abortion because of a lack of concrete evidence of it being a rape.
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#32
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I think the exam could fall under the same weird fascist lines unfortunately but classes are a really solid idea


the only reason I worry about the weird fascist stuff is because the US had been sterilizing different populations of people for years, usually for eugenic purposes, up until pretty recently.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/nativevoices/timeline/543.html
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/gendersexuality/tp/Forced-Sterilization-History.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization


so that's really fvcked up... You know, for a country that tries to police the world, the US does some real messed up stuff
#34
Abortions for all. no seriously abortions for all too many damn people on this planet
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#35
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Why is the death penalty not okay but abortion, especially late term, is?

I think for early term abortion, it doesn't really equate to capital punishment because

1) a fetus cannot do anything in the public eye that can be deemed okay/not okay by society. people differ a lot on who deserves to die for what reason but there's not really even a "who" in early term abortions when talking about the fetus

2) people who can't afford to have children or have decided that it's more worth it to have an early-term abortion than to keep the baby for whatever circumstances are probably not going to produce a healthy environment for the baby to live in, and adoption agencies can only help children so much in finding a home. if you can prevent that suffering for a child by stopping the situation before it happens, and before the baby has even become a baby, then it doesn't really affect anyone other than the mother and father.
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