#1
How much influence did BM take from punk? I've been getting into punk lately, and it may lead to me picking up guitar again (had kind of lost interest due to waning interest in guitar-based music...) I've been getting into black metal again as well and it seems to be that although the "mood" between genres is obviously v. different some of the riffage style is quite similar. Which works out well for me I guess since I can just focus on that style of playing

I like some of the crust bands as well. This song has a lot of what-could-be-BM melodic lines if they were tremolo-ed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFmhP_31Zvo

It's interesting because you start to see how thrash seems to descend almost directly from punk, this group highlights some of the similarities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBbtoq0iMnA
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#4
Kvelertak comes to mind as a pretty solid link between the two.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LNuNbzQVDZU
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#7
Eh, you get back and forth between the genres. you can have bands like Craft, or Axeman..or Oppression, or Raspberry Bulbs. The list goes on. They both influence each other positively if you ask me, but I'm a fan of both genres.
#8
I've been noticing a lot lately, actually, of how much black metal and punk are alike. Sometimes when I'm listening to bm I'll kind of lose focus for a little and when I return I think for a minute I'm listening to straight-up punk. You get some really punk elements in early first wave stuff especially - Venom obviously were more punk than anything, their entire gimmick being that they couldn't play, etc. But Sodom's first two demo tapes really highlighted this relationship to me. Listen to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RpY2F5Fai8

Those drums! I'm listening to the Ruts, here! There was also that sort of 'working class music' connection, you know - Sodom were miners, most first wave was coming out of the third world or parts of europe like Greece, that kind of thing. They shared a lot of material conditions, and had the same anti-civ, nihilistic character. Anthropologists love to talk about convergent evolution. Speaking of working class music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmcyN01sK8w

There's a reason Darkthrone went in this direction! Anyway, I guess it lost a lot of that in the 90s, but the drum and bass work especially in a lot of black metal recalls punk moreso than the guitar and vocals. Forgotten Woods really made me think that, with their prominent bass (as happens when your bassist is your band leader!) and so on. Listen to the basswork here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMVG1KFCgDE
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#10
"One of" can mean anything from ok to awesome when it comes to Spear of Longinus. I'm a Yoga of National Socialism guy myself, but mostly out of habit.
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#11
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I've been noticing a lot lately, actually, of how much black metal and punk are alike.


There are countless examples me thinks. Kind of funny, black metal even picked up msot of their outfits from punk music. Shirtless with spiked armbands and leather pants + combat boots. Then black metal added corpsepaint. Aesthetically, you can see the similarities very easily.

Musically they're compatible too. My favourite example being Craft:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPOtTUj8pkI

The way they blend each riff into the next with the fluency of a solid melting into a liquid, is the feeling I get when I listen to punk. Craft are quite obviously more black metal influenced, but the punk stuff is pretty obvious. It's the minimalist tones throughout me thinks.
#12
well, there's quite a lot of 'blackened crust' or whatever you want to call it bands that blur the lines between crust and black metal, martyrdod being a really good one. i'd have to be at home to give more examples, because i haven't listened to that stuff in ages.

a lot of early/proto-typical black metal is very close to thrash/death of the time, which like you said is heavily influenced by punk. so there's that too

then, there's quite a few bands that mix NSBM and RAC
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#13
Well... the early Bathory albums were inspired by hardcore punk, so yes you could say that BM has a lot of punk influence.
#14
I don't remember the name off the top of my head, but I seem to recall a band who referred to themselves as "black metal skinheads".

Idk, interesting side note, I suppose.
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There was also that sort of 'working class music' connection


Feel obliged to point out that the origins of punk (in Britain at least) are about as middle class as it gets, hence it's regular bumming up by mainstream cultural journalism as some watershed moment in the DIY working class musician struggle when working class metal acts had been doing their own thing for years, except they could actually play their instruments.

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#16
Punk music without Riffs blows hard. Sounds like living in an apartment complex with the incessant cry of children.
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#18
You could successfully argue that two out of three of those have Punk tendencies at best. Sometimes more, other times less.
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You could successfully argue that two out of three of those have Punk tendencies at best. Sometimes more, other times less.


It seems odd to deny the legitimacy of these bands for their respective genres when you've given no argument.

Amebix are grouped in with hardcore/crust. You could argue that song doesn't fit into punk, albeit they are in a sub-genre within punk.
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Amebix are grouped in with hardcore/crust. You could argue that song doesn't fit into punk, albeit they are in a sub-genre within punk.


That's exactly what I was saying. Not purist Punk.
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