#1
Hi guys, sorry if I'm posting in the wrong directory.

I bought a guitar pretty cheap from a friend, it was in an okay state, I mean it sounds good and is playable. One thing is that there was a fret buzzing when I bend the e string near the fret 7+ (apparently my friend lowered the action too much).

I bought a new saddle and lowered it but not as much to not get any fret buzzing, it worked great, but one thing I noticed is near the first fret it's super hard to barre chord... The the G and B strings are almost always muted.

The thing is the guitar has actually a gap between the first fret and the nut (Picture: http://i.imgur.com/ZcbB0SC.jpg), and that is cos the nut is actually not glued to the guitar, I'm guessing my friend took it off to lower the action or something not sure.
When I put the strings on it just forces the nut to stay in place so I didn't bother doing anything to it. Also I tried pushing it further to the fret but it won't stick the gap is always there.

Could that be the problem to the barre chord? I can play barre chords on higher frets but not on the first one. Should I try to lower the nut with sandpaper too?

Additional pictures:
Action on first fret: http://i.imgur.com/WK4pQkP.jpg
Action on 12th fret: http://i.imgur.com/5IFuL80.jpg
How high the nut is: http://i.imgur.com/T4odlMO.jpg
How high the saddle is: http://i.imgur.com/2u0Kjlp.jpg
Overview: http://i.imgur.com/1fX6Xz8.jpg
(Excuse the low quality images and the messiness lol)

I'd like to lower the action even more tbh but I'm not sure if that's a good idea.
#2
Quote by riighted
Hi guys, sorry if I'm posting in the wrong directory.

I bought a guitar pretty cheap from a friend, it was in an okay state, I mean it sounds good and is playable. One thing is that there was a fret buzzing when I bend the e string near the fret 7+ (apparently my friend lowered the action too much).

I bought a new saddle and lowered it but not as much to not get any fret buzzing, it worked great, but one thing I noticed is near the first fret it's super hard to barre chord... The the G and B strings are almost always muted.

The thing is the guitar has actually a gap between the first fret and the nut (Picture: http://i.imgur.com/ZcbB0SC.jpg), and that is cos the nut is actually not glued to the guitar, I'm guessing my friend took it off to lower the action or something not sure.
When I put the strings on it just forces the nut to stay in place so I didn't bother doing anything to it. Also I tried pushing it further to the fret but it won't stick the gap is always there.

Could that be the problem to the barre chord? I can play barre chords on higher frets but not on the first one. Should I try to lower the nut with sandpaper too?

Additional pictures:
Action on first fret: http://i.imgur.com/WK4pQkP.jpg
Action on 12th fret: http://i.imgur.com/5IFuL80.jpg
How high the nut is: http://i.imgur.com/T4odlMO.jpg
How high the saddle is: http://i.imgur.com/2u0Kjlp.jpg
Overview: http://i.imgur.com/1fX6Xz8.jpg
(Excuse the low quality images and the messiness lol)

I'd like to lower the action even more tbh but I'm not sure if that's a good idea.


your pix are really crappy but the last two tell the tale. you most likely need the neck reset. your saddle has been lowered about as low as it can go yet the action is like 3/8" of an inch high.

the nut is indeed removed from the front edge of the fretboard so your intonation is shot.

if this is a guitar of quality and value then the cost to get all of this work done may be worth it but imo, it is a basket case. put it up on the wall and move on with your life.

what is that stuff hanging from underneath the strings? dead skin? vegetable matter? go wash your hands with soap -use hot water, count to 30 mississippi's and rinse well.
Last edited by ad_works at Aug 19, 2015,
#3
Quote by ad_works
you most likely need the neck reset. your saddle has been lowered about as low as it can go yet the action is like 3/8" of an inch high.



Yep. Certainly looks that way.

Are you certain that this was a friend??
Last edited by PSimonR at Aug 19, 2015,
#4
It looks to me as if the nut is too high, and what ad-works said about untidy mounting. If all the strings are too high, it is easiest to just to take some off the bottom of the nut.

You check nut height by fretting the string at the 3rd fret, and look at the clearance between the bottom of the string and the 1st fretwith the string resting on the 2nd fret. There should be the smallest gap you can get. Some of mine are so close that you can only tell there is a gap by tapping the string over the fret and listening for the click. Any gap you can see clearly is too much.
#5
yeah, the nut slots could be a little high -hard to tell with all that moss, but it certainly ain't all of the problem:



i didn't say anything about "untidy mounting"...

looks like my dad's guitar. the one he bought at a yard sale. i used to sneak off with it and bang around on it when i was a kid. it was so awful. i used to say that it had "quarter mile action"

you could disinfect it and if it will hold some sort of tuning play slide with it?
Last edited by ad_works at Aug 19, 2015,
#6
That grime collected under the strings makes me feel queasy.

You could try gluing the nut in place. That's about as far as I'd go with this train wreck.
#7
Make sure the neck relief is right b4 you do anything else, looks bent too much to me.
1/4 turn on the truss rod per day. Get fresh strings on that thing. Then get the bridge height right, then the nut. Go for low action!
Make sure the angle at the end of the fretboard and headstock is clean and 90deg so that the nut sits flush. Glue the nut or it won't stay in tune.
You'd be surprised how much better a cheap guitar sounds with a bone nut and bridge, I use antler.
Last edited by skido13 at Aug 20, 2015,