#2
Reverb or delay in the loop. Maybe some chorus out front. An EQ pedal you switch on for you cleans in the loop helps too. Or just say to hell with cleans and do what I did and use the rhythm channel for crunch.
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#5
12au7 in v1 will help a lot. Still more than enough gain on tap.
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#6
Try a 5751 in the Phase Invertor and a 12dw7 in V2. 12dw7 will give you a 12au7 lower gain for Rhythm channel but a 12ax7 for the Lead channel. A 5751 in V1 can also help and give the gain knob on the lead channel more usable range.

Light chorus and reverb help also along with neck pickup and a softer attack.
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#7
Interesting call on the 12DW7. Is this something that you've actually tried?
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#8
Buy one of those Boss pedals that models a Fender tone and rig it up in the FX loop to bypass the 5150 preamp.
#9
^ I have done something similar to using a fender pedal into the preamp. I was running a Jet City and POD HD500x with 4 cable method. The Jet City had a nice fat distortion sound but no clean channel, so simple enough, I created a clean patch and had it set up to be an entire channel on its own. Worked pretty well.
#10
I made this video a while ago, and it's not great. But it should be helpful. I demo'd 3 guitars through my 6505 on clean: DiMarzio D Activators, Peavey Predator single coils, and an EMG 60.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CczyAjH0WNo

It's long and not well thought out, but the actual playing is timestamped in the description.

This is with just normal 12AX7s throughout, no lower gain preamp tubes anywhere. With lower gain preamp tubes, you will get even notably cleaner cleans.

But as far as stock goes, I have no idea what the problem is with people not able to get cleans out of the amp. Play with your gear and learn how to EQ it.
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#11
Quote by Cathbard
Interesting call on the 12DW7. Is this something that you've actually tried?

Yes. It works well. No noticeable difference on the Lead channel and the cleans are much nicer.
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#12
I used to run a Jan Phillips 5751 in the V1 slot of the preamp which warmed and cleaned it up a little, along with using either coil split buckers or single coils for cleans. I used to have mp3's on my profile, but it appears as though they were removed...

me and my drummer did a jam on one of our songs years ago and you can hear the cleans in the intro. I think I have a detune effect on the clean channel but its definitely with a 5751 in the V1 slot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6j_fgZmOoo

...There's also a fly by night "cover" on that youtube channel, cleans with 5751 in V1 and a mxr phase 90 around 2:07.
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#14
Quote by metalmingee
Yes. It works well. No noticeable difference on the Lead channel and the cleans are much nicer.
Sounds like a great "outside the box" idea to me.
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#15
Quote by jpnyc
Buy one of those Boss pedals that models a Fender tone and rig it up in the FX loop to bypass the 5150 preamp.

This is actually a pretty solid 'outside the box' idea too