#1
I have an Ibanez Artwood (AW240) which I feel I set up correctly. I got a TUSQ bridge which I sanded to have a snug (not leaning) fit, geared toward a lower action (straight truss rod, lower nut). I can't give exact measurements but at the twelfth fret the action from the metal part of the fret is the space on a nickel between the edge and Jefferson's hairline. Theres no raised bridge from broken bracing or anything out of line I can think of. The truss rod is kind of off kilter though, Its cocked to the right side of the hole (warped?). Anyway, on the twelfth fret of the 6th string it reads an average of 81.15 Hz (Reduced, 82.3 Hz open string). the problem gets less severe as I get to the higher strings. short of sanding the bridge to compensate opposite of how it is now, I can't think of any other solutions. or is it something I should just live with? Hoping that isn't the case. In case it matters, the guitar was setup from the factory to use 13s, and I have it setup with 12s.

I'm thinking buying a TUSQ bridge blank and sanding it to compensate would work best. What do you guys think?
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#2
Please don't go in a music store and ask for a "Tusq bridge blank", as the rest of us will suffer guilt by association. The part which pulls out is called the, "saddle".

Moving on, anybody that tries to intonate an acoustic guitar with a frequency counter has my complete respect, but is nonetheless doomed to a certain amount of disappointment.

The maximum offset you can achieve is 1/16" from center with a 1/8" saddle blank,

So, is that enough to cure it? Dunno. Other makers have taken extreme measure to cure intonation on acoustic guitar. I'm thinking of Takamine, which oftentimes uses a split saddle type of arrangement. Also to get the B-2 right on many guitars, you need a molded offset in the saddle for that particular string.

If my math is correct, you have about 1.6 cents error, and speaking as somebody who only ever wears out frets 1 through 5, that is reasonably negligible.

So, should you be able to make an improvement? Probably. Is it going to be all you hope for? Probably not.

If you want something you can dance around in the second octave with and still sounds pretty acoustic, Epiphone has released a copy of John Lennon's "Casino". (That's a true hollow body, unlike tone block guitars such as the ES-335).
#3
Yeah, sorry, heh. I usually refer to guitar parts pretty casually. Thanks for the help, though! I was honestly just wondering if there was any easier solution.
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#4
Quote by AGaySpaceTiger
Yeah, sorry, heh. I usually refer to guitar parts pretty casually. Thanks for the help, though! I was honestly just wondering if there was any easier solution.


Is you new saddle comp'd? if not, now is a good time to start. You can do better even on an Artwood. The question is, will it keep that intonation a month later? "Economical" guitars often don't.

You seem to have a decent ear and access to measurement equipment so I see in your future a constant struggle to extoll the best possible metrics out of your instruments even though they may not be able to give that to you. You might want to consider doing your best with the Ibanez now, then when you can, step up to a better and/or handbuilt guitar.
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#5
It's compensated, but from the factory, not by me.

That's kinda what I figured. Guess it's time to start guitar shopping again.
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#6
don't give up on it just yet. adjust the ramping to get you closer to where you need to be. there are files made for that or you can use a 3/8"wide single cut/mill file. shorter scale length will make it flatter, longer will make it sharper. doesn't take much, about .020 or so will give you a 1/2 cent. if the saddle is stepped (a cliff like cut out) toward the nut you may run out of room though so take care.

or you can make a new one.
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#7
Check that you don't have a problem at the nut, ie. make sure the string is actually resting on it's forward edge.

How often do you actually play the full octave on the bottom string?... I don't think I ever do.
#8
Quote by The Backslider
Check that you don't have a problem at the nut, ie. make sure the string is actually resting on it's forward edge.

How often do you actually play the full octave on the bottom string?... I don't think I ever do.
Well, you know.First you learn the error is there, the you begin to obsess about it, then you begin to believe it's a game changing fatal flaw, which will prevent you from ever using the 12th fret on the E-6. You've got it stuck in your head,"I know when I hit that note, everyone in the audience is going to hear how far off the intonation is, and they'll all laugh at me, hysterically, and in unison. Or not.

I wonder how our TS would react to the intonation errors of any 12 string? Probably have a nervous breakdown.

OK, I gotta go now, and start composing my retraction for this lapse of sensitivity on my part....:ashamedofmyself: << I thought sure that would appear as one of our smileys but, nooooo!
#9
Quote by ad_works
don't give up on it just yet. adjust the ramping to get you closer to where you need to be. there are files made for that or you can use a 3/8"wide single cut/mill file. shorter scale length will make it flatter, longer will make it sharper. doesn't take much, about .020 or so will give you a 1/2 cent. if the saddle is stepped (a cliff like cut out) toward the nut you may run out of room though so take care.

or you can make a new one.
I also expect you can grind up $12.00 saddles all day, until it dawns on you that bridge is glued on wrong.. Hey, it's not like that's never happened before, even in Nazareth.
Last edited by Captaincranky at Aug 26, 2015,