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#1
That title is very verbose, but I don't know how else to explain it.

Anyway, name some times in visual media where you found yourself rooting for a villain, or advocating unnecessary violence, or anything that made you feel a bit guilty for being pleased at the sight of violence.

The ending of Breaking Bad is an example of this for me. Those who've seen it know exactly what it is, and those that haven't, I'll spare you a potential spoiler.

Magneto is a villain for whose cause I can sympathise somewhat. He does things that are wrong but his intent is to save his own species.

In Prison Break, Mahone gets revenge in season four.

Mahone hunts down the man who killed his son and tortures him. Then he attaches a cinderblock to him and pushes him into the water, killing him by drowning him.


Playing violent video games is an obvious one, but try to keep it specific for a character(s) or plot detail.

Be sure to use spoiler tags or keep important plot details out of plain sight.
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          But I don't feel guilty for enjoying these.
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          #3
          will graham and hannibal lector, simultaneously, in the tv series
          it's all just coming back
          it's all coming back

          it's all coming back to me
          #7
          I'm waiting for someone to drop rape porn as an answer, but I ain't gonna be the one to do so. So, definitely not rape porn.

          Yeah I like the Taken mention. Gonna go with that.


          Not rape porn though.
          #8
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                  But I don't feel guilty for enjoying these.


                  The first three basically live off of that guilty feeling. Catharsis through obscene violence
                  #9
                  90% of the time a Nazi character is treated in a violent fashion. Fuck Nazis.

                  Pretty much any time one character bullies another, I start wishing for them to take a nice hard fist to the chin.

                  Also that scene involving Cersei Lannister from the last season finale of Game of Thrones. Yeah, it was designed to humiliate her and destroy her mental state and make you feel bad for her, but I didn't. Bitch has caused the deaths of thousands of people and set the world on a war path. You're not going to get me to feel sorry for her, period.


                  And speaking of characters who had it coming, the fight between Envy and Roy from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. They tried to make you feel sorry for Envy at the end by making him cry and be sad and all that, but that sick puppy deserved every flame-broiled second of agony.
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                  #10
                  Judas in Jesus Christ Superstar

                  Not saying I think Jesus had to die, but his motives were understandable, and I felt sorry for the guy.
                  I'm talking solely about the movie/musical of course, wouldn't know anything about the bible.
                  #11
                  Anything where the 'good guy' is just ****ing irritating. Like the SW prequels, before Anakin turns evil. I wanted many bad things to happen to him.
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                  #12
                  The pilot for UnREAL. It's a show about this producer who's so empathetic she can manipulate people to do what she wants on a Bachelor-esque reality show. In the pilot she has to use a woman's abusive ex-husband as ammo to get her emotionally vulnerable, and then when she figures out that one of the contestants was likely molested as a child she tries to use that to get a good shot of her freaking out. It only came out a few odd weeks ago but it's definitely one of my favorite shows.


                  Also, pretty much the majority of porn. I can't even watch straight porn anymore. Most people either push it out of their heads or have never thought about it, but I can't miss it. It's still strange to me that even lesbian porn is made 100% with men in mind. I remember reading Big Red Son and then having it click: it's all for men, and when it's that skewed it and purely about fantasy, it starts to deal with the insecurities those men have to warrant those fantasies. But the people making it aren't equipped to deal with something like that, and it ends up being their darkest-wish fulfillment. Even gay porn, supposedly for gay men, has a 90% ratio of films that for some reason need to dehumanize one of the actors so they can fit into a feminized role of object. Hint: it's not made by gay men.


                  EDIT: Didn't read all the OP. None of these are 'guilty pleasures', just things that kinda kill you in a small way. The pilot was really upsetting and made sense in the context of what the show is criticizing, and the porn is, well, everywhere.

                  EDIT 2: Reading that OP again, I actually don't think even you know what you're trying to say. There's a difference between enjoying something that might be wrong, feeling guilty for doing so, and watching something and just feeling like crap. 'Losing humanity' doesn't work if you're only consciously admitting awareness that something is seen as wrong by others. Knowing is different from understanding.
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                  #13
                  Not giving any specifics, but everytime Frank Underwood manipulates someone in house of cards to get his way I cheer, and then realise, wait this guy's an arsehole.

                  Another example is probably Doug Stamper. He's a creep & a broken man, but I can't help but empathise with him.

                  Also, Claire Underwood might be a not completely evil person, haven't figured it out yet.

                  Anyway, can't wait for everything to come crashing down, whenever they decide to end it.
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                  #14
                  I found myself rooting for Vic Mackey in The Shield quite often, even though he was a total douche.
                  #15
                  Breaking Bad PRE a certain death, as they should have ended the show there and then and left it to the audience's imagination.

                  Spec Ops: The Line when you do THE BAD THING and pretty much everything after that.

                  Bojack Horseman when he starts to trip and fall.

                  The Binding Of Isaac is pretty much all about losing your humanity.
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                  #16
                  Quote by Banjocal at #33575271
                  Spec Ops: The Line when you do THE BAD THING and pretty much everything after that.

                  Bojack Horseman when he starts to trip and fall.

                  These two are good examples. Spec Ops really plays on your indulgent destructiveness and then forces you to dwell on the aftermath. I love that about the game.


                  Bojack is just, ugh man.
                  #17
                  Quote by ali.guitarkid7
                  These two are good examples. Spec Ops really plays on your indulgent destructiveness and then forces you to dwell on the aftermath. I love that about the game.

                  Bojack is just, ugh man.
                  Makes a refreshing change from Call of Jingoism.








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                  #18
                  Although I wouldn't say that any of Bojack makes you lose humanity. If anything, you gain it, and then some.
                  #19
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                  Although I wouldn't say that any of Bojack makes you lose humanity. If anything, you gain it, and then some.

                  I gained Horsemanity by watching it.
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                  #20
                  Quote by ali.guitarkid7
                  Also, pretty much the majority of porn. I can't even watch straight porn anymore. Most people either push it out of their heads or have never thought about it, but I can't miss it. It's still strange to me that even lesbian porn is made 100% with men in mind. I remember reading Big Red Son and then having it click: it's all for men, and when it's that skewed it and purely about fantasy, it starts to deal with the insecurities those men have to warrant those fantasies. But the people making it aren't equipped to deal with something like that, and it ends up being their darkest-wish fulfillment. Even gay porn, supposedly for gay men, has a 90% ratio of films that for some reason need to dehumanize one of the actors so they can fit into a feminized role of object. Hint: it's not made by gay men.

                  I really don't see what this has to do with the thread but try watching porn that's marked as female friendly or female choice.
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                  I gained Horsemanity by watching it.

                  Damn you.

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                  I really don't see what this has to do with the thread but try watching porn that's marked as female friendly or female choice.

                  Largely the same, except with higher production quality and a couple more shots of the male actor. Worse, it's boring. No longer fantasy, just body parts going in and out. The thread's about morally questionable media that has had an effect on you, or caused a depressing realization. Or, apparently, that's just a guilty pleasure. It has a lot to do with the thread.
                  #22
                  Law Abiding Citizen. Tyrese Gibson's character bothered me so much.

                  This is a hard one for me because I don't really disagree with violence.
                  My God, it's full of stars!
                  #24
                  Quote by ali.guitarkid7
                  Damn you.


                  Largely the same, except with higher production quality and a couple more shots of the male actor. Worse, it's boring. No longer fantasy, just body parts going in and out. The thread's about morally questionable media that has had an effect on you, or caused a depressing realization. Or, apparently, that's just a guilty pleasure. It has a lot to do with the thread.

                  So basically you realised that sex in porn is nothing like sex in real life?
                  #25
                  If porn was like sex in real life, you'd be looking at a lot of awesome trailers for months to build up the suspense, but when you watch the actual vid, it's first a very long time of just a blank screen, followed by two minutes of embarrassing sounds and a sincere apology during the end credits.
                  #26
                  I can't response to the false premise of the question as I don't find violence inherently dehumanizing.
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                  #27
                  I like to compare an average sex life to facebook. Sure, sometimes you'll see something interesting, but mostly it's just a lot of selfies, and it's incredibly awkward when your family tries to join.
                  #28
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                  This is a hard one for me because I don't really disagree with violence.

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                  I can't response to the false premise of the question as I don't find violence inherently dehumanizing.

                  The point is in the qualified nature of the statements "advocating unnecessary violence" or "being pleased at the sight of violence." I don't know how else I could make it more clear, but what I meant was to mention moments when you found yourself on the edge of sadism.
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                  If porn was like sex in real life, you'd be looking at a lot of awesome trailers for months to build up the suspense, but when you watch the actual vid, it's first a very long time of just a blank screen, followed by two minutes of embarrassing sounds and a sincere apology during the end credits.

                  Porn is a bit like sex in real life.

                  Both participants are thinking about someone else, and how they'd be enjoying a different position much more because of their dodgy back/knee/hip....
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                  #30
                  Liquid and Solidus Snake. They were terrorists, but they were doing it for our freedom!
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                  #31
                  So here's another one. I only put it down because Deus Ex lets you play nonlethally and just knock people out if you want, which, for the most part, I did, so it counts as "advocating unnecessary violence".

                  That hotel in China where the mercs come in and murder all of the residents. Up until that point I had a completely nonlethal playthrough, bosses aside, but if you murder a hotel full of innocent people, then I feel justified passing violent judgement on you. Snuck up on and executed every single one of them with melee attacks instead of just shooting them from 30 yards away, too.
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                  #32
                  Sons of Anarchy - Jax Teller, more in the later seasons.

                  Absolutely loved his character.
                  #33
                  From the bottom of my heart I have no sympathy whatsoever for the humans in Battlestar Galactica, the Cylons are absolutely 100% the good guys.

                  There is a reason why Gaius is my fave character after all

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                  And speaking of characters who had it coming, the fight between Envy and Roy from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. They tried to make you feel sorry for Envy at the end by making him cry and be sad and all that, but that sick puppy deserved every flame-broiled second of agony.

                  Yeah Roy vs Envy is literally my favorite fight in all of anime
                  pure slaughter and I loved every single second of it
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                  Yeah Roy vs Envy is literally my favorite fight in all of anime
                  pure slaughter and I loved every single second of it


                  The best part about it is the voiceacting. I don't know what they were doing to themselves or thinking about while they were recording the lines, but you can really hear the hatred and agony in Willingham and Powell's voices, respectively, both of which make it all the more delightful.
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                  #35
                  I like it when Mustang burns Lust to death
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                  #37
                  I've been watching buffy the vamp slayer lately and I do this a lot

                  whenever xander gets hurt im like YES cause xander sucks
                  when buffy
                  coma'd faith I was like YEAH KILL HER

                  #38
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                  If porn was like sex in real life, you'd be looking at a lot of awesome trailers for months to build up the suspense, but when you watch the actual vid, it's first a very long time of just a blank screen, followed by two minutes of embarrassing sounds and a sincere apology during the end credits.

                  haha killer


                  D:
                  #39
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                  I've been watching buffy the vamp slayer lately and I do this a lot

                  whenever xander gets hurt im like YES cause xander sucks
                  when buffy
                  coma'd faith I was like YEAH KILL HER


                  ] Xander is such a dick lol. constantly pulls self-righteous crap all the time, is super zealous without acting on logic, is constantly weirdly open about his ex relationships and people he likes. Cordelia (who actually has an incredible exit. Like seriously, that was written so well), Anya, feelings for Buffy... just gets annoying.

                  ugh Xander. super bitter, hates everyone that was once bad, hates everyone anyway, and literally is only there for the S6 finale. Like, what other time is he important? never. he's got decent wit but usually is just a dick.

                  and actually, one of my least favourites is when Oz comes back and everyone is on eggshells trying to not mention that Willow's got a girlfriend. Everyone overreacts, Oz, the usual chill clear thinker, now hates everyone...ugh

                  And Riley is also the worst.

                  I think Whedon gets a lot of credit for strong female characters because his male characters suck lol

                  also the Giles that comes back in the last season is totally irrational. totally freaks out about Spike (which leads to some nice torture because why not). called the Ripper, but the only impressive thing he does is get teleported by the council to use some spell that they made for him.

                  guhughugh

                  it's a great show until you find the bits you hate


                  also, gonna say "The Body" is an incredible episode. Possibly a GOAT.
                  Hush (with The Gentlemen) is way up there for sure.
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                  #40
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                  ] Xander is such a dick lol. constantly pulls self-righteous crap all the time, is super zealous without acting on logic, is constantly weirdly open about his ex relationships and people he likes. Cordelia (who actually has an incredible exit. Like seriously, that was written so well), Anya, feelings for Buffy... just gets annoying.

                  ugh Xander. super bitter, hates everyone that was once bad, hates everyone anyway, and literally is only there for the S6 finale. Like, what other time is he important? never. he's got decent wit but usually is just a dick.

                  and actually, one of my least favourites is when Oz comes back and everyone is on eggshells trying to not mention that Willow's got a girlfriend. Everyone overreacts, Oz, the usual chill clear thinker, now hates everyone...ugh

                  And Riley is also the worst.

                  I think Whedon gets a lot of credit for strong female characters because his male characters suck lol

                  also the Giles that comes back in the last season is totally irrational. totally freaks out about Spike (which leads to some nice torture because why not). called the Ripper, but the only impressive thing he does is get teleported by the council to use some spell that they made for him.

                  guhughugh

                  it's a great show until you find the bits you hate


                  I am watching for the first time, in season 4 right now, bookmarking this so I can look at it when I'm done with the series lol
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