Poll: Which is more important?
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View poll results: Which is more important?
Killer opener
25 61%
Killer closer
16 39%
Voters: 41.
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#1
Having a good opening song on the album to give a good first impression

or having a good closing song so that the album leaves a lasting impression

longing rusted furnace daybreak seventeen benign nine homecoming one freight car
#2
My impression usually comes from the singles released before the album. But if I had to choose, probably the opener.
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#3
First impressions are more important. I make Christmas albums to give away as gifts. I made one in 2006 2008 2010 and I just finished my 2015 one a few days ago. This thread made me think of it as I was trying to consider what song to put first on it. Wait till you hear it I will be posting it on the music thread in the season arrives.
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#4
All the songs should be good....creating a shit sandwich never makes for a good album.

Some of my favourite albums often start with a weird instrumental track before one of the top songs starts.....I guess it depends what audience you're catering for
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#5
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All the songs should be good....creating a shit sandwich never makes for a good album.

Some of my favourite albums often start with a weird instrumental track before one of the top songs starts.....I guess it depends what audience you're catering for


all songs should be good but I'm afraid they ain't.
#6
In concerts: opener. I didn't read that op was about albums. Don't care with albums.
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#7
Well, given how small the market is for 'whole album listeners' against people who will only really 'hear' something if it appears on youtube with a cool video, does it matter?
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#8
Killer closer. A good opener is important but EVERY SINGLE modern rock band puts their best 3 songs as the first three tracks and it's disgusting.
#9
I thought you dont listen to entire albums. Preferibly the entire album is good but I'd say a killer closer so that I can just sit crying tears of happiness


Gozd in gora poj,
silen ženimo hrup,
uboga gmajna, le vpup, le vkup,
le vkup, le vkup z menoj,
staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
#10
Quote by JamSessionFreak
I thought you dont listen to entire albums. Preferibly the entire album is good but I'd say a killer closer so that I can just sit crying tears of happiness


Same and all my favourite albums have killer closers too I can't think of one that doesn't

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#11
Opener for me, but the closer needs to be good too, the in between should have one or two good songs but nothing as amazing as the opener. E.g. The Violent Femmes Eponymous album.
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#12
I know it's a cliché at this point but listening to DSOTM for the first time, hearing this choon play out and just sitting there like an emotional wreck... this is what a closer should do to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlHRSpFGtQk


Gozd in gora poj,
silen ženimo hrup,
uboga gmajna, le vpup, le vkup,
le vkup, le vkup z menoj,
staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
#13
I'd say both. The opener should get you in the right mood for the album while the closer should leave you with a long lasting impression. Best example for this is Disintegration (for me). A great opener that gives a preview of what is to come and a closer that will devastate you.
#14
Quote by JamSessionFreak
I know it's a cliché at this point but listening to DSOTM for the first time, hearing this choon play out and just sitting there like an emotional wreck... this is what a closer should do to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlHRSpFGtQk

Preach.....that album is just perfection. There's a reason it's the longest charting album of all time/
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#15
Quote by JamSessionFreak
I know it's a cliché at this point but listening to DSOTM for the first time, hearing this choon play out and just sitting there like an emotional wreck... this is what a closer should do to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlHRSpFGtQk

I'm covered in goosebumps from that right now.
A poem.
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#16
can't I just kill? I don't wanna bother with openers or closers.
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#17
Both are important. A good example off the top of my head, Rolling Stones Sticky Fingers. Brown Sugar to open with a ripping groove to get the album going. Moonlight to wind things down. Mellifluous!
#18
Face-melting opener.
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#20
This is probably my favourite. A post-rock/metal ending to a mathcore album that was once described as "a whole album of The Dillinger Escape Plan's most chaotic breakdowns". It's probably the loudest studio recording that isn't noise in my collection. It's what most post-rock artists try to reach and they just steamroll over them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcGzuDZRjIY
#22
first song: oh man this is good kinda weird but i'm into this
second song: :0 :0 :0

that's the best format. ex: you'd prefer an astronaut
#23
An opener should make it apparent that you have balls. The mid section should make a display of the dick accompanying those balls, and the closer should deliver the goods by flinging a remarkable amount of musical cum into our already smiling faces.
#25
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An opener should make it apparent that you have balls. The mid section should make a display of the dick accompanying those balls, and the closer should deliver the goods by flinging a remarkable amount of musical cum into our already smiling faces.


This is the best album-related advice I've ever heard.
#26
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An opener should make it apparent that you have balls. The mid section should make a display of the dick accompanying those balls, and the closer should deliver the goods by flinging a remarkable amount of musical cum into our already smiling faces.
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#27
Quote by i_lovemetallica
Preach.....that album is just perfection. There's a reason it's the longest charting album of all time/


Because people kept buying it.
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#29
I dont think anyone listens to albums the whole way through today,
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#30
If you had an album with one killer song, I think you should put it 3rd or something like that. That way, people listening to the whole album, if those still exist, would listen to the first couple of songs, and then the killer one.

If it is last they might not want to listen through it all. If it is first they will listen to it and then turn it off.

But if you have only one killer song on your album, I think your problems are greater than where you should put it.

tbh though, I don't even really think of albums anymore, but singles.
#31
I don't listen to whole albums in order, that seems very antiquated.
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#32
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I dont think anyone listens to albums the whole way through today,

Think again, cvnt


Gozd in gora poj,
silen ženimo hrup,
uboga gmajna, le vpup, le vkup,
le vkup, le vkup z menoj,
staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
#33
Quote by JamSessionFreak
Think again, cvnt


Thought again, not many do that anymore.
Purple string dampener scrunchy.
#34
Depends on which groups of people you hang out with brah.


Gozd in gora poj,
silen ženimo hrup,
uboga gmajna, le vpup, le vkup,
le vkup, le vkup z menoj,
staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
#35
Quote by JamSessionFreak
Depends on which groups of people you hang out with brah.


I dont hang out with people. I just gather information from my surroundings.

Last album I listened to all the way through was Argus by Wishbone Ash, most songs are epic and the rest are OK at worst. Opening and closing tracks are amazing.
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#36
Yeah Argus is pretty legit


Gozd in gora poj,
silen ženimo hrup,
uboga gmajna, le vpup, le vkup,
le vkup, le vkup z menoj,
staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
#37
lol who listens to whole songs anymore just fastforward to the chorus & skip to the next track
#38
I listen to entire "albums" and in order too. But album here is really more sonatas, quartets, symphonies, etc. They were designed to be listened to as a whole. Sometimes they get sneaky and it's not even clear when one movement / track ends and the next one begins...

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#39
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Killer closer, ala Bad Guy by Eminem

What.

Anyway the opener's by far more important to me since its usually my first impression. Banjocal's totally right though, frontloading is a big problem for modern rock. Having really long closers is a bit cliche too but if it works it works
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