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My nephew has been raiding the freezer or eating stuff he shouldn't touch outside the usual eating schedule.

He's 9 years old and almost 132 pounds or 60 kilos.

His separated parents won't bother with him and his dad buys so much snack occasionally to the point and does not care to discipline the little rascal. We live together.

Nowadays he's eating even more and more, stealing food, and finish eating stuff not meant for him, leaving nothing for others. He doesn't care about other people needing to eat their share.

Advice has turned to deaf ears. Going soft on him doesn't work. Psychology doesn't even work, he is showing signs of possible sociopathy for a kid, because he lies, break promises and even when caught with evidence, continues to lie.

I am very afraid that I may be living with a sociopathic nephew but yet I don't want to let him end up with medical health issues prematurely.

Going soft doesn't work, so I had no choice, I had to beat/spank the shit out of him everytime he steals food.

I've given him ultimatum before to never cross a certain weight threshold but it never works if I only stick to verbal threats, he consistently crossed that weight threshold and getting fatter and fatter for a 9 year old, reaching the weight of a full grown adult far too soon.

Since his parents doesn't give a shit about his behaviour and weight gain, and as an uncle I am probably the only one left to discipline him, but so far all nice talk has failed, he just took advantage of me like any sociopaths would if you don't take action.


I am going the only way I have, physical violence.

I am not talking about that harmless pat on butt. I am talking about really hard smacks short of injuring any internal organs.

If I don't beat the crap out of him, he's going to die anyway from obesity before he even hit puberty.

What would you do if you're me ?
#3
I would see a professional in case he has an eating disorder. Even if he doesn't, physical punishment won't stop him from eating if he wants it.
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#4
I'd consider if I was suitable to be disciplining children if my idea was to assault them.
#5
I would never hit my own, nor other people's kids. If you can't handle a 9 year old, you are a lousy parent/uncle.
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I'd consider if I was suitable to be disciplining children if my idea was to assault them.


Sorry we don't do things the American/British way. It doesn't always work. I've already tried.
#7
The kid is Cartman
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#8
He's probably just depressed from having a shitty uncle.
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#9
It is child abuse. Don't do it or I will make sure the UG staff will IP track you and call the police on your child molesting ass.
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#10
Chop his hands off so he can't use cutlery

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#11
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It is child abuse. Don't do it or I will make sure the UG staff will IP track you and call the police on your child molesting ass.

I was thinking the same.


OP have you even taken him to the doctor or anything?
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#12
violence in any kind of way is never a solution and it only shows your own incompetence in dealing with the situation

the fact that you even think you are doing a good thing by smacking a kid shows that he is not the only one who has a problem
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#13
I beat him to save his life. Better that than him ending up in hospital prematurely.

No one else would give a damn about his weight issues, not his dad, not his mom.


Positive reinforcement has failed but negative reinforcement is starting to show progress.

I would not hesitate to use whatever means necessary to save his life/future even if he resents me, I don't care. Better that than him being dead, no ?
#14
Sfx, sincerely, no and please don't ever get kids for yourself.
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#15
If you have to resort to beating kids, you've probably failed as a parental figure.

I'm not saying you have already, but that's something I've seen in practice and it's never a positive thing for either side.

If I were you, I'd force his parents into the situation in any way possible, make them realise this is their frickin' child and shouldn't be your burden, or at least, entire burden. It sounds to me like his eating is a response to parental separation and lack of co-habitation, so this is directly their problem, if not, their fault.

Failing that, diagnose a problem before assuming. Take him to see a psychiatrist or pediatrician, get their view. Then again, I'd say that because NHS, so it'd be complicating the situation even more.

If I don't beat the crap out of him, he's going to die anyway from obesity before he even hit puberty.


Jfc, this is terrible reasoning.
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#16
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I beat him to save his life. Better that than him ending up in hospital prematurely.

No one else would give a damn about his weight issues, not his dad, not his mom.


Positive reinforcement has failed but negative reinforcement is starting to show progress.

I would not hesitate to use whatever means necessary to save his life/future even if he resents me, I don't care. Better that than him being dead, no ?


Negative reinforcement may improve his physical health but you will definitely fuck his mental health up if you continue to do this.
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#17
Kid's gone too far, beating him has probably caused more problems for you than if you had used positive reinforcement, but at this point I seriously think a medical professional is a very, very good idea.
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#18
Stab him and watch him blee dgravy
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#19
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Negative reinforcement may improve his physical health but you will definitely fuck his mental health up if you continue to do this.

kid's gonna hate all authority figures if you keep it up then he'll end up dead in a fucking gang or some shit idk
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#20
why are you living with this kid...? and what's with you people having shitty nephews?

look man if his parents dont give a shit, then it's time to get child services involved because their negligence is actually super harmful and what's happening now will have far reaching long term effects on his mental well-being. if they are unfit to parent, and by all accounts it seems they are, a real wake up call like a home visit is in order.
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#21
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I beat him to save his life. Better that than him ending up in hospital prematurely.

No one else would give a damn about his weight issues, not his dad, not his mom.


Positive reinforcement has failed but negative reinforcement is starting to show progress.

I would not hesitate to use whatever means necessary to save his life/future even if he resents me, I don't care. Better that than him being dead, no ?

You are NOT saving his life by abusing him, you are potentially destroying it. Don't try to be some self-proclaimed expert on dealing with kids if you are not. Seek help, for both the kids sake and your own.
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#22
You're literally beating up a fucking 9-year-old for his health issues. What is wrong with you?
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#23
"Oh no, you should NEVER physically discipline kids!!"




Fuck off.

Has social behavior in general gotten better or worse since that policy was adopted?

Anyone that can't differentiate between child abuse and physical discipline probably has a problem with other "difficult" concepts as well, like dressing themselves or wiping their own ass.

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You're literally beating up a fucking 9-year-old for his health issues. What is wrong with you?


No, he's disciplining him because he's a lying thief.

His health issues are an offshoot of that.
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"Oh no, you should NEVER physically discipline kids!!"




Fuck off.

Has social behavior in general gotten better or worse since that policy was adopted?

Anyone that can't differentiate between child abuse and physical discipline probably has a problem with other "difficult" concepts as well, like dressing themselves or wiping their own ass.


qft

there's a way to discipline physically out of love and have your kid understand that, but "beating the crap out of my fat shit nephew" doesn't fall under that
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#25
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"Oh no, you should NEVER physically discipline kids!!"




Fuck off.

Has social behavior in general gotten better or worse since that policy was adopted?

Anyone that can't differentiate between child abuse and physical discipline probably has a problem with other "difficult" concepts as well, like dressing themselves or wiping their own ass.

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Again I ask, has social behavior in general gotten better or worse in the last couple of decades?

You can be as snarky and self-righteous as you want, won't change a thing.

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#28
Quote by Arby911
"Oh no, you should NEVER physically discipline kids!!"




Fuck off.

you shouldn't though, it doesn't work as well as positive reinforcement (which people can't get their fucking heads around sometimes). If it did work as well I'd have trained my dogs to a professional standard by hitting them instead of rewarding desired behaviour. Same with kids, you reward a kid with something they like when they're doing the right thing instead of the wrong thing they'll do the thing that got them the reward.

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#29
Physically disciplining your kid is entirely unnecessary, if not cruel. Any parent that wants to physically discipline their kids should get a one way trip to an asylum for the criminally insane on account of being a psychopath.
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#30
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"Oh no, you should NEVER physically discipline kids!!"




Fuck off.

Has social behavior in general gotten better or worse since that policy was adopted?

Anyone that can't differentiate between child abuse and physical discipline probably has a problem with other "difficult" concepts as well, like dressing themselves or wiping their own ass.

There is quite an overwhelming amount of scientific evidence that supports the theory that physical discipline generally has negative effects, against only a handful of papers that say it might have some positive effects in certain situations. But by all means feel free to stick to your own 'experienced' opinion.
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#31
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you shouldn't though, it doesn't work as well as positive reinforcement (which people can't get their fucking heads around sometimes). If it did work as well I'd have trained my dogs to a professional standard by hitting them instead of rewarding desired behaviour. Same with kids, you reward a kid with something they like when they're doing the right thing instead of the wrong thing they'll do the thing that got them the reward.

Pavlov's dog 101


I find that both have their place. As with you, I much prefer to use positive reinforcement, but it's not always effective. Both are merely tools. Reward AND Consequences.

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There is quite an overwhelming amount of scientific evidence that supports the theory that physical discipline generally has negative effects, against only a handful of papers that say it might have some positive effects in certain situations. But by all means feel free to stick to your own 'experienced' opinion.


When consensus is contrary to fact, I'll stick with fact. The fact is that societal courtesy has declined in the last few decades (also scientifically supported) and I suggest it's "parenting" without real, tangible consequences that is at the root of it.
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#32
I was hit as a kid.

I don't mean spanked, or reprimanded, but really actually hit. I didn't learn my lesson, all I did at the time was learn to be afraid. My wife worked in childcare for 8 years, and saw zero evidence for the neat to hit a child, ever.

It's gotta be even worse if you have multiple kids. I'm protective over my little sister as all older siblings tend to be. When my dad hit my sister all it did was make me hate him. Even if he tried to 'explain why this is happening' afterwards, where you're supposedly going to learn your lesson, and I could ever think was "you could have just lead with this, shithead."

Arby's response of "oh fuck off," is almost verbatim the response that everyone who physically reprimands their kids have. It's a wonder to think how millions and millions of other kids who were never hit grow up to be scientists and presidents and CEOs and shit, who knew.


Stand up comedian aside, Louis lays it out eloquently.
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#33
@thebartender It is even against the law here since 2006
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#34
We, the humankind, cannot ascend to the higher levels of enlightenment if we keep beating each other.

Solution: let's all be friends (forever)
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#35
Quote by Arby911
I find that both have their place. As with you, I much prefer to use positive reinforcement, but it's not always effective. Both are merely tools. Reward AND Consequences.

mixed reinforcement has actually been proven to still be less effective than pure positive.

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Has social behavior in general gotten better or worse since that policy was adopted?

it's gotten worse since we stopped hitting children because there was no new system of discipline installed, therefore it was all over the shop and has become a shitstorm.
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#36
Arby you're a fucking idiot. He straight up said that he wasnt even talking about spanking the kid and now you're validating him. Go back and read the first post you fucking imbecile. Jfc
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I was hit as a kid.

I don't mean spanked, or reprimanded, but really actually hit.
I didn't learn my lesson, all I did at the time was learn to be afraid. My wife worked in childcare for 8 years, and saw zero evidence for the neat to hit a child, ever.

It's gotta be even worse if you have multiple kids. I'm protective over my little sister as all older siblings tend to be. When my dad hit my sister all it did was make me hate him. Even if he tried to 'explain why this is happening' afterwards, where you're supposedly going to learn your lesson, and I could ever think was "you could have just lead with this, shithead."

Arby's response of "oh fuck off," is almost verbatim the response that everyone who physically reprimands their kids have. It's a wonder to think how millions and millions of other kids who were never hit grow up to be scientists and presidents and CEOs and shit, who knew.



As noted, there is a difference between abuse and discipline. If we're comparing resume's, as a parent I've been "working in childcare" for 23 years...

It won't be necessary with every child, as every child is an individual, but to pretend it's never appropriate is a fantasy I'll not indulge in.

Never fear, I'm aware of the incredible outrage this stirs some folks to. I'm also aware that a great many parents will simply nod and agree. Neither will affect me much, I'm a big fan of what works.
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Arby you're a fucking idiot. He straight up said that he wasnt even talking about spanking the kid and now you're validating him. Go back and read the first post you fucking imbecile. Jfc


And you can reread mine, where I clearly differentiated between abuse and discipline.

Or you can continue to believe what you want, your choice.

As for imbecile and idiot, I've been called worse by better.
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#39
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A whole bunch of scientists who are experts in their field have come to a consensus after years of research, but it doesn't correspond to my own uneducated opinion so i will just ignore it

ftfy

disclaimer: though your claim about the decline societal courtesy might be true, your unbased linking that to a lack of physical discipline is what i mean by your 'own uneducated opinion'


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#40
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No, he's disciplining him because he's a lying thief.

Nope you're a fucking idiot
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