#1
Hey,
I want to get as close as possible to the tone of Randy Rhoads. I'm using a Blackstar ID TVP. I have the choice between 6 tubes "simulations", which one would you pick ?

EL84
6V6
EL34
KT66
6L6
KT88

?
#2
EL34 would be "right" for the amps Randy was playing, but I haven't tried your amp so I don't know how exactly it sounds. I'd assume that for a modeller EL34 would mean Marshall, anyway.
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#3
Randy used a cranked Marshall plexi that was modded.

So yeah EL34 would be where I'd start. Crank the master volume and then slowly turn the pre/gain up

What I think is funny is 6L6 and KT66 are pretty much identical tubes 6l6 being the USA name for them and KT66 being the European name for them
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What I think is funny is 6L6 and KT66 are pretty much identical tubes 6l6 being the USA name for them and KT66 being the European name for them

As far as I know* they're not identical but the KT66 is basically just the European version of the same thing. People claim there's a difference in tone but for all I know that could easily be the sort of person that notices a "difference in tone" after getting a haircut.

*I'm being pretentious, I have fuck all idea but I Wiki'd it.
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I dont really know, but on the amp i'm using, KT66 and 6l6 are clearly not the same.

edit: i found this on an old UG thread, the description of the difference is pretty accurate :

Compared to a 6L6, KT66s have less clean headroom, have a smoother breakup, more mids and a more bell-like top end while the 6L6 can sound a little bit harsh and glassy.
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#9
You could get in the ballpark by starting off with a Marshall style emulation. Just add more gain and boost the mids and bass a bit. "EL34" emulation I guess


Mind you, I think the Dist + plays a pretty decent part in that "fuzzy" kind of quality his tone has so without that and the 6 band setup, it won't be perfect. FWIW I used to use a Distortion + and a bit of chorus in front of my Excelsior and when I would crank the amp up and hammer the front end with the box, I was getting a pretty passable RR tone (Although I was aiming for his live tone and not that tinny first album tone).
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#10
yeah, i'm not looking for the carbon copy of his tone, just want to get a bit closer. I found some patches for RR on the blackstar community, i''l try them
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EL34 would be "right" for the amps Randy was playing, but I haven't tried your amp so I don't know how exactly it sounds. I'd assume that for a modeller EL34 would mean Marshall, anyway.



At one point or another Marshall used almost all of those tubes...
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Which ones haven't they? The KT66?
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So then the 88s right? I mean they have used everything else in that list in SOMETHING. Maybe not in a famous model but still..
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The Marshall Major ran KT88's.
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#16
Well that's all of them then. Marshall has ran a ton of tubes. Funny how they are so associated with the 34s
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People claim there's a difference in tone but for all I know that could easily be the sort of person that notices a "difference in tone" after getting a haircut.


Eric Johnson did have some pretty ridiculous haircuts in the 80s. He was near enough at the full Pat Sharp at one point. Maybe he was trying to improve his tone. (Makes as much sense as his possibly thinking they looked good.)
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You could get in the ballpark by starting off with a Marshall style emulation. Just add more gain and boost the mids and bass a bit. "EL34" emulation I guess


Mind you, I think the Dist + plays a pretty decent part in that "fuzzy" kind of quality his tone has so without that and the 6 band setup, it won't be perfect. FWIW I used to use a Distortion + and a bit of chorus in front of my Excelsior and when I would crank the amp up and hammer the front end with the box, I was getting a pretty passable RR tone (Although I was aiming for his live tone and not that tinny first album tone).


the MXR D+ was a big part of Randy's tone for sure. worrying about tube type seems like a pretty minor thing compared to other elements of the tone you seek.
#20
some of his stuff almost has an out of phase / cocked wah type tone to me. since i can put my pups out of phase i would play like that. i think the way he EQed and the distortion + accentuated that tone greatly.

im sure your patches you are finding the treble higher and mids probably very high with little bass and a classic marshall 70-80s esk british grind, with humbuckers (mid-low output). i may even say a roll off of the tone knob
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