#1
I was listening to Hardcore History, dope podcast check it out.
And he mentioned how historians need some distance from events before they can analyze them objectively. For example we don't feel the visceral horror of what Genghis Khan did, so we can discuss him dispassionately, even though he systematically killed many people. More than Hitler by far.

Then he mentioned Hitler as someone whose actions were recent enough that we still feel a visceral horror and hatred for what he did. But I don't really feel that. He was evil, but he's somebody out of history and I don't feel any immediate emotion about it. Maybe it's a generational thing and enough time has finally passed. What about you?

inb4 Skullivan says he's a hero
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#3
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From the waist down.

On topic. Interesting thing to consider I suppose. I believe I'm in the same boat as you. What he was responsible for is unthinkable and a truly horrible thing to consider happening. Yet I'm either too distant in time or far too apathetic to really feel the kind of hate you're getting at towards the character known as Hitler.
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#5
I don't feel that either and it could be a generational thing. But can people be objective about stuff if they use phrases like "literally Hitler" even though they don't feel visceral hatred?
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#7
No, his name has become an empty cliche and I hate 90% of the instances when it's brought up.


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#8
I despise what he stood for (so according to what I've read, seen, heard), but the man himself? To myself and dare I say it my generation he is less of an individual so much as he is the avatar of the nazi system of beliefs, and as such I always circle back upon the belief. While that leads me to hate him by proxy, it's the belief that I actually hate, deep down.
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#9
https://youtu.be/sEGeHxF0tF4

He seemed quite friendly..
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#11
Do you feel a visceral hatred for Hillary?
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#12
I feel a visceral hatred for uncured pork.
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#13
I don't hate anybody, I just get disappointed in them.
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#14
How can you hate a man you've never met?
I hate plenty of people I've never met but that's really beside the point
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#15
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You know you do but you don't know why.
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#16
I can't say I hate him because that implies the visceral feeling, but I do hate his actions.
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#17
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I can't say I hate him because that implies the visceral feeling, but I do hate his actions.


Hate his social views but looove his t-shirts.









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#18
I don't, but my wife's family had relatives die in the holocaust, so they're rather touchy on it, understandably.
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#19
No. I understand that he did a lot of terrible things, I understand the "evil" of his ways but I cant say I hate him. I cant say I really HATE anything...it such a strong and misused word. Actually I have some appreciation for him and the Nazi regime, I mean what they did was nothing short of amazing, evil but amazing. I am honestly still in awe of some of the things that were produced in Nazi Germany, mainly the weapons and the armored fighting vehicles.

After visiting Germany not long ago I found out I actually like it quite a lot, the German folk actually seem like really nice people.

As for Hitler, once again, I dont hate him. I cant hate him, I dislike what he did and what he stood for, but I cant hate him cos I've never met him. In fact I feel almost as though he never existed in the first place.
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#20
I feel the same about hitler as I do other historical figures in that category (regardless of time period). it does feel pretty distant for me.

with pretty much everything (including current events) I hate the actions and the beliefs, but I can't hate the person for it. I think free will is mostly an illusion (not that I think people aren't responsible for their own actions at all either) and that these people are mostly vehicles for more complex forces. if I'm being directly affected by something like this I'd definitely have feelings of anger and hatred though, depending on what it is I think I'd be able to look back on it differently.
#21
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I can't say I hate him because that implies the visceral feeling, but I do hate his actions.


Agreed. He's dead, hating him is a waste of time and emotion.

Far more useful to hate what he caused and hate it enough to see that it doesn't happen again.
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#22
People in here who don't feel that sort of hatred for Hitler need to make the trip to Auschwitz and see first-hand the place where some of those atrocities happened.

Might change the meaning of it all for you.

I have a feeling Americans may not quite have felt the same impact due to the fact they were on the other side of the Atlantic and I'm not sure how they are educated on the manner.
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#23
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People in here who don't feel that sort of hatred for Hitler need to make the trip to Auschwitz and see first-hand the place where some of those atrocities happened.

Might change the meaning of it all for you.

I have a feeling Americans may not quite have felt the same impact due to the fact they were on the other side of the Atlantic and I'm not sure how they are educated on the manner.


Been there done that. Didnt feel hate, I felt sadness.
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#25
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People in here who don't feel that sort of hatred for Hitler need to make the trip to Auschwitz and see first-hand the place where some of those atrocities happened.

Might change the meaning of it all for you.

I have a feeling Americans may not quite have felt the same impact due to the fact they were on the other side of the Atlantic and I'm not sure how they are educated on the manner.

If he was alive, then maybe. If there was a grave, and I happened to be in the area, I might even piss on it, if I could do so without fear of arrest.

But there are people alive who maybe - just maybe - my disgust and loathing of might be harnessed in some way to make a difference.

Hating Hitler is wasted effort.
#26
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People in here who don't feel that sort of hatred for Hitler need to make the trip to Auschwitz and see first-hand the place where some of those atrocities happened.

Might change the meaning of it all for you.

I have a feeling Americans may not quite have felt the same impact due to the fact they were on the other side of the Atlantic and I'm not sure how they are educated on the manner.



we are educated. I took a trip to a museum and took an so history course

I still dont hate him anymore than I hate other historical figures who have done awful things
#27
I think people still have a hatred for the Nazis, their actions, and what Hitler stood for, but honestly, Hitler himself has kind of become a punchline. I've seen so many movies, tv shows, comics that just make fun of him so much that that's kind of what I think of at this point.


Like I just think of him screaming "Nein Nein Nein" from Inglorius Basterds, or some stupid Family Guy or South Park joke.
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#28
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I think people still have a hatred for the Nazis, their actions, and what Hitler stood for, but honestly, Hitler himself has kind of become a punchline. I've seen so many movies, tv shows, comics that just make fun of him so much that that's kind of what I think of at this point.


Like I just think of him screaming "Nein Nein Nein" from Inglorius Basterds, or some stupid Family Guy or South Park joke.

John Cleese doing a better Hitler than Hitler himself comes to mind
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#29
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People in here who don't feel that sort of hatred for Hitler need to make the trip to Auschwitz and see first-hand the place where some of those atrocities happened.

Might change the meaning of it all for you.

I have a feeling Americans may not quite have felt the same impact due to the fact they were on the other side of the Atlantic and I'm not sure how they are educated on the manner.

I could take the same high horse given how Slovenes were the first victims of fascism way back in the early 20s, how they (like other Slavic nations) underwent plans of extermination and germanization throughout the war and how they finally experienced some of the very last battles with retreating Germans and collaborators in Europe.

Unlike certain island nations who never saw a single German division set foot on their soil we were invaded and actually 'absorbed' by three axis powers at once and when you're on the Nazi and Fascist list of subhuman races right after the Jews that means that bombings are the least of your concerns.

I've probably had more relatives die in war, in public executions of civilians at home or dragged into Dachau than the vast majority of you, maybe even all of you given the size and engagement of my family. But I still don't feel a genuine, emotional hatred of Hitler. And I don't think any of you do either, I think you feel a very strong ideological and rational reaction to him and the things he stood for but I don't think you hate him in the same way you hate the kid that bullied you in school or the guy that shot up a theater near you.

It's not about any of us being bad people, I just think it's not perfectly OK to compare our emotions to the emotions of the people who experienced the war and genocide first hand. I agree that some nations think of the war as a mere medal on their grandfather's uniform more than others though.

edit: And I've been to Dachau and Matthausen with school. Not quite Auschwitz but close enough I think.


Gozd in gora poj,
silen ženimo hrup,
uboga gmajna, le vpup, le vkup,
le vkup, le vkup z menoj,
staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
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#30
i can't say i have any kind of visceral horror or hatred for Hitler. sure, he was a piece of shit, but his actions are so far removed from my lifetime.

now modern day Neo Nazis, Klansmen, and other similar scum: i'd like to lynch them.

edit: and 100% of what Phils said up there. spot on. dude's a punchline.
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#31
Yeah I agree with Phils also.


Gozd in gora poj,
silen ženimo hrup,
uboga gmajna, le vpup, le vkup,
le vkup, le vkup z menoj,
staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
#32
Gotta love that nutty 'Dolphster
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