#1
i am kind of getting into fuzz now. i never really liked it before i got my malekko wolftone unity fuzz.

so from what i understand there are three fuzz types, the fuzz face, the range master and the muff, right? also i suppose you could count the octavia, and the mxr blue box.

for muffs, i own a vintage russian muff, but it isn't reliable for some reason.

so i am looking to pick up a fuzz or two (around Christmas) as i already dropped a bit on a new guitar (wife won't let me open it until Christmas).

for the muff-y type circuits, i have my sights set on a musket fuzz or a hoof. thoughts?

for fuzz face i really have no idea, i like it, i just don't know what to look for. i will go used and under $120 if possible.

for the rangemaster, HBE Germania 44 Treble Booster ? what is a good price on that.

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i fully realize that this is a little bit of a ambiguous question, and sometimes its hard to get answers, as i am looking for a variety.

i have a bunch or guitars and a bunch of amps, i want a really wide spectrum of fuzz pedals. not for one thing, but between the three (maybe four) i would like to cover anything.
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#2
There are 3 basic types of fuzz as I see them (and MANY sub categories under those 3)
A Rangemaster is considered a boost pedal. It basically boosts the upper, and upper mid frequencies (some variants include switches that can alter what frequency ranges they boost).

Gritty: Fuzz Face, Tonebender, Jordan Bosstone.
Smooth: Muff and its variants. The Bosstone can also fit in here to some degree.
Octave: Tycobrahe Octavia, Foxx Tone Machine, Ampeg Scrambler.
Then you have what I would call the Velcro Fuzz, which is a nastier version of the gritty fuzz. A lot of the Devi Ever fuzzes were like this.

Then you have some that may have some qualities of more than one type.

For a Rangemaster clones, I prefer ones that use the OC44 (or CV7003)
The name "HBE Germania 44 Treble Booster" suggests it uses the OC44 transistor.
Some people prefer other transistors like the OC71.
Then you have the Brian May Treble Booster which uses a BC182L, but I saw a schematic tonight that uses I think, a 2N2222.

Form Muffs, I prefer the Triangle Muff myself, which used a 2N5133.
I think the 2N5133 is still made but just from a quick google search, it appears as though the new ones are different than the older ones.
If you go for a Triangle Muff clone, try to find one that uses an metal can NOS 2N5133.
Although the transistor in a Muff has less of an effect on the circuit than they do on other fuzz circuits (but still makes a difference).

I think the Foxx Tone Machine can cover a lot of ground.

I don't personally know much about the musket fuzz or a hoof, but they seem to be popular.
Also look at the Stomp Under Foot pedals.
I think all they make is Muff clones, so you would probably find something good there.

If you want to learn more about the Big Muff try here : http://www.kitrae.net/music/music_big_muff.html
That site is basically the Big Muff bible.
Evey thing you could ever want to know about the big Muff and more can be found there.
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#3
I am no Electric Wizard or tech or guru of any kind, so my perspective on the market looks different. While there may be only three ACTUAL lines of fuzz circuit pedigree, I see all kinds of claims builders make about "based on the obscure but sought after _________ fuzz circuit", or rarely "a new kind of fuzz".

Rather than try to sort all the truth from lies & marketing, I just shop with my ears (& sometimes my eyes, too- some nice enclosures being sold out there)... If a pedal does stuff I like, who cares if its circuitry derived from a Muff, a Fuzzface, or Marvin the Martian?

Here are fuzzes in my possession (marked with a *) or on my radar.


- Electro-Harmonix Russian Big Muff Pi*

- Spaceman Effects WOW Signal*- "The WOW Signal is a unique, all analog modulated fuzz device. At the heart of this machine lies a UFO-shaped, vintage Soviet germanium transistor. The circuit then adds in modern components, to yield a wide variety of pre and post cold war fuzz tones, from bright and buzzy to thick and fuzzy."

- Death By Audio Supersonic Fuzz Gun*- "unique"

- Death By Audio Fuzz War- no info

- ARC Effects Crimson King*- based on the Buzz Fuzz

- ARC Effects Big Green- based on Russian Muffs

- Wren & Cuff Tall Font Russian- based on Russian Muffs

- Magnetic Effects White Atom*- Si/Ge transistor fuzz

- Magnetic Effects Buzzkill*- based on 60's Ge transistor fuzzes

- Catalinbread Antichthon*- fuzz/tremolo/harmonizer/tone generator

- Catalinbread Perseus (sub-octave fuzz)*

- Catalinbread Manx Loaghtan- based on one of the Muffs

- Black Arts Toneworks Sarcophagus v2*- Pharaoh & LSTR combo

- Black Arts Toneworks Coven- Pharaoh & Black Forest combo

- Black Arts Toneworks Black Forest*- "The Black Forest takes a celebrated circuit and drags it through the dirt. More gain, more fatness."

- Black Arts Toneworks LSTR- "LSTR is from the same BMP family, but unlike the Pharaoh, which is dialed back a little, LSTR is the action!" BMP probably means Big Muff Pi.

- Black Arts Toneworks Pharaoh- "The Pharaoh pedal, while its roots and DNA are classic fuzz, has a few twists." Probably based on the Big Muff Pi (see the LSTR, above).

- SolidGoldFX Sasori- "The Sasori, or scorpion in Japanese, is our interpretation of the classic Shin-ei FY-2 Companion Fuzz."

- Earthquaker Devices Hoof Reaper- combination of their Hoof (Green Russian Si/Ge Muff) and Tone Reaper (another Si/Ge hybrid) fuzz pedals + octave up

- Fuzzhugger Suneater- no info

- Fuzzhugger Doom Bloom- no info

- Fuzzhugger Algal Bloom- no info

- Fuzzhugger Upper (octave fuzz)- no info

- Fuzzhugger Sonic Shroom/AB Synth- no info

- Visual Sound Angry Fuzz (octave fuzz)


(Yes, I may have missed one or two as well...)
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#4
Yeah, I know, I tend to sometimes speak in terms of circuit design even when I try not too (I may not be a real engineer, but my mind works like one far to often).
But this line: "There are 3 basic types of fuzz as I see them (and MANY sub categories under those 3)"
I think still fits as far as sound qualities go and goes along with what you said.
I was trying to be as simplistic as possible in naming the types of fuzzes regardless of circuit design.

I'm don't know what categories I listed those fuzzes you listed would fall under, but wouldn't they all fall under one or more of those categories (and/or the "sub-categories") I mentioned in some way?

Since trash was basically asking about fuzz "categories" that's the type of answer I tried to give.

What types/categories would you give to the plethora of fuzzes that you listed and the others out there?
Not being confrontational, just looking for another perspective.
I'm always trying to expand my knowledge (That's why I read stuff like "The CMOS Cookbook" while on a long trip or waiting at the doctors office instead of "Bass Fishing Monthly" or "Gall Bladder Surgeon's Quarterly").
#5
Devi Ever Hyperion for $100 is worth an investigation. It's got a weird sputtering breakup on the deacy though which you may or may not like.

Range master is the Tony Iommi treble boost I think.
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#6
If you want something that will keep you busy with all the nasty sounds you can make, try a Zvex Fuzz Factory. I have spent hours twiddling the knobs on mine and bashing out Sabbath chords, or running up and down the pentatonic. Great fun, and it's very compact!
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#7
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I'm don't know what categories I listed those fuzzes you listed would fall under, but wouldn't they all fall under one or more of those categories (and/or the "sub-categories") I mentioned in some way?
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What types/categories would you give to the plethora of fuzzes that you listed and the others out there?
Not being confrontational, just looking for another perspective.


Damn if I know!

I know you're not being confrontational- I was just trying to put out my perspective as a know-nothing layman who loves fuzzes!

Still, I know that several on that list are based on the Muff series- the ARC Effects Big Green and Wren & Cuff Tall Font Russian are both based off of Russian ones- hence the names and colors.

The others I'd have to look at the manufacturers' claims...which I'll do a bit of and update in my original post.
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Code- your first post is exactly what I was looking for with the genealogy of the different fuzzes. Danny threw the ear aspect, and together it worked out really well with code's perspective.

I will do some more research. :Cheers:
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- SolidGoldFX Sasori- "The Sasori, or scorpion in Japanese, is our interpretation of the classic Shin-ei FY-2 Companion Fuzz."



That one sounds like a great fuzz

I built my own hybrid version of that (Si and Ge) that sounds awesome.
One of these days I'll build another one and build it better (I never really biased the Ge section of it).
I've got 60 of the perfect NOS Ge transistors for it that NO ONE will be able to duplicate, because none are available, ANYWHERE (There were/are a few on eBay, but I suspect they are fakes).
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#10
i've never tried one, but as rob said, a rangemaster is a treble booster, which i'm guessing is more or less like a clean boost pedal except more concentrated on the higher frequencies.

he also described the different types of fuzzes way better than i can, too
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That one sounds like a great fuzz

I built my own hybrid version of that (Si and Ge) that sounds awesome.
One of these days I'll build another one and build it better (I never really biased the Ge section of it).
I've got 60 of the perfect NOS Ge transistors for it that NO ONE will be able to duplicate, because none are available, ANYWHERE (There were/are a few on eBay, but I suspect they are fakes).

It IS a nifty pedal.

Here's 2 demo vids for it covering its features and @40 year span of music & genres- The Ventures, Kyuss, Radiohead, Lalo Schifrin- in which it would work very well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyl9L6-6u9Q&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9hn45GdO5c&sns=em
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#12
What's the best dirty, grindy, gritty fuzz - no smoothness required just the buzzsaw type of s**t
#13
Not technically fuzzes, per se, but Metasonix's has products that would probably be to your liking if you're looking for signal destruction of various kinds.

Assblaster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IEYakABr0U&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6y1KFuD0sk&sns=em

Butt Probe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNs0LVhBG2o&sns=em

You might also favor less offensively named devices like:

Skychord Glamour Box
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE05de2Y04M&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBij3aHZ1bw&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP4_fAiZnqE&sns=em

Skychord SleepDrone 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfmxAUBYj1g&sns=em

Skychord Zodiac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6_SkMEg8-Y&sns=em


WMD Geiger Counter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A7VFxIBj84&sns=em
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#14
I like that kind of crazy stuff - Assblaster sounds mental but can't seem to buy it anywhere
#15
It is old & discontinued, but they pop up from time to time on the used market.
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#16
At this very moment, there's a sale on some cosmetically defective Pharaoh fuzzes, which is just over your budget (plus shipping). They're heavily recommended all over the place.
#17
Vick audio makes a GRREAT product fairly affordably. i must say its got to be one of the best values in the pedal world and his bread and butter is fuzz. i have a 73 rams head, and its GREAT!

my board is almost entirely boutique-ish and its one of the cheapest things on teh board and probably on teh higher end of the scale on quality.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1659441

this is an older model. new ones are black.

http://vickaudio.com/shop/
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#18
Wampler's Leviathan ("unique circuit"):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HycMvNatLuc&sns=em
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#20
Wampler Velvet Fuzz. Nice warm sound and very useable.
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