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#1
Hi guys

I really wonder who suggested this abalone binding to ESP especially in the LTD EC models. I can take a small abalone binding around the body but all over the fretboard... for me, it looks awful !!!!!!!!

What do you think?

Imagine this beautiful EC-1000QM without this shit on the fretboard.. I would buy it tomorrow !!!

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No one will notice at any distance past the front row of your audience.


The point is that my audience are "me"
I am 99% home player doing few recording from time to time... so the main audience I want to please is just myself
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#4
I agree, the bling is really horrible-looking and for years it made me point my nose up at them. But they put it there for a reason -the kids spending daddy's money like it.

Fortunately there are lots of 1000 models out there that don't have it, like the VB and the 1000-T.
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Missing the point, much?
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#5
Be nice if they had less blinged out ec1000's that cost less. Or had the quality upped. But I guess that's LTD's idea of deluxe!

For the same price, you can find used Eclipses. Like the one I picked up this summer:

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I agree, the bling is really horrible-looking and for years it made me point my nose up at them. But they put it there for a reason -the kids spending daddy's money like it.

Fortunately there are lots of 1000 models out there that don't have it, like the VB and the 1000-T.

Missing the point, much?


When I saw the EC1000T I fell in love with it due to the traditional body but unfortunately it is not available at the dealer in Egypt. In the EC-1000 models I would be between EC-1000S Duncan or EC-1000VB Duncan.
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#7
Yeah I totally agree. I cant stand abalone on guitars. Every time I see a Minarik I get nauseous...


There are a few Schecters too that could be pretty sweet if they lost the abalone.
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Be nice if they had less blinged out ec1000's that cost less. Or had the quality upped. But I guess that's LTD's idea of deluxe!

For the same price, you can find used Eclipses. Like the one I picked up this summer:



awesome guitar

unfortunately only brand new E-II are available in Egypt which is double the price of EC1000... I can't find any used and I don't prefer to get a guitar online...
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#12
Not a big fan of "too much abalone", but I still prefer it over the "vintage" style of "finish like old furniture with a weird coloured pickguard that matches fuck all" which is a plague with singlecuts.
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#13
Honestly, this is one of their top selling models. So naturally it would seem a LOT of people disagree with your viewpoint.
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Honestly, this is one of their top selling models. So naturally it would seem a LOT of people disagree with your viewpoint.

My viewpoint is more important than everyone elses.
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Honestly, this is one of their top selling models. So naturally it would seem a LOT of people disagree with your viewpoint.


Maybe if people only bought guitars on looks then that point would hold more weight.
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#16
Matter of taste. I think it looks stunning. Bought my h1001 because of it. And I'm a daddy. 50 odd years old and spent my own money. lol.
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#17
Again, I can stand the abalone binding on body... even the abalone binding on the Ibanez ARZIR20 is awesome.. but abalone through all fretboard... yukkk
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#18
Well if everyone liked the same thing there would be only one type/colour of guitar and how boring that would be
#19
Yeah I think that too many metal guitars go a bit overboard, but hey, I like plain top guitars with no neck binding and minimalistic looks all around. I recently ordered a tortoiseshell pickguard for my Musicman, but that's about as fancy as I go.
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#20
I honestly don't mind it all that much, and I really don't spend a lot of time staring at the fronts of my guitars. Would be a different story if I were staring at myself in my bedroom mirror, I suppose.
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I honestly don't mind it all that much, and I really don't spend a lot of time staring at the fronts of my guitars. Would be a different story if I were staring at myself in my bedroom mirror, I suppose.

hahaa no I am not that kinda guy.. I don't play in from of mirror... but I just care too much about how my new guitar should look
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#22
Yeah, I can definitely understand that, I also find looks important, as, you know, you'll probably be looking at the guitar most of the time while playing it so it's nice if it doesn't hurt your eyes. :P And it's nice to just take a look at it sometimes and go "OMG IT'S SO PRETTY AND CUTE AND IT'S ALL MINE <3 ".

Although honestly I don't think the guitar mentioned here is a big issue, I'd cut down on the abalone a little but it's okay. The second ESP someone posted later is really pretty though, a really nice balance in my opinion. And they generally have a decent variety of colours and aesthetics so there should be something else that looks cool (even though like Ibanez they suffer from the "if we don't know what colour and pickups to put on this guitar, black and EMG81 it is" syndrome...).
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#23
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I honestly don't mind it all that much, and I really don't spend a lot of time staring at the fronts of my guitars. Would be a different story if I were staring at myself in my bedroom mirror, I suppose.


Come on dude, how can you tell if you're sweet moves are really sweet and that you'll look like a proper rock star when you finally get your big break and become a guitar god?

Sounds like you're leaving a lot to chance...
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#24
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awesome guitar

unfortunately only brand new E-II are available in Egypt which is double the price of EC1000... I can't find any used and I don't prefer to get a guitar online...



Yep, sucks to be in a place that has very little in the way of used gear.
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#25
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Maybe if people only bought guitars on looks then that point would hold more weight.

People don't usually buy ass-looking (in their opinion) guitars though. If a lot of people buy this model it suggests that a lot of people don't have any particular issue with the bling.

Personally it's not my look but I don't really have any strong opinions on the abalone. It can do its thing and I will do mine. Equally, I can see why people object to it.
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#26
"Studies* have shown that abalone binding on a guitar neck will increase sales by 400,000%"

*Studies conducted by Jim's Abalone Supply Company Ltd
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Come on dude, how can you tell if you're sweet moves are really sweet and that you'll look like a proper rock star when you finally get your big break and become a guitar god?

Sounds like you're leaving a lot to chance...


Ahhhhh. Good point.
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"Studies* have shown that abalone binding on a guitar neck will increase sales by 400,000%"

*Studies conducted by Jim's Abalone Supply Company Ltd


I am not buying this guitar specifically for this abalone binding around the fretboard... am I that unique ??
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#30
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I like it on some bodies and heads, but on necks it just looks out of place.


That's really a personal judgment, of course.
It's not something I'd seek out, but if the rest of the guitar were good, I'd find a way to get by it.


There's an airplane out there with this:



It's an all-abalone bathroom sink.
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#31
^...can I see reflections of guitar strings on that sink??? And why did he fit those awful DR Neon crap on there? Definitely more money than sense.
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#32
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^...And why did he fit those awful DR Neon crap on there? Definitely more money than sense.


How else will you know which is hot and which is cold?

Taste is something which changes from country to country. I went around the Aston Martin factory and you could tell which cars were going to which country purely by the finishes specified. There were some which were a lesson in how to ruin a great car.

Back to the original post (sooo long ago) I quite like it. It is perhaps a little OTT, and would look a bit incongruous in a death metal or punk band, but otherwise, aesthetically, I don't have a problem with it.

However, there is a bit of an issue in over blinging a budget brand gutar, or anything else to that matter... gold Timex? There is no shame in having a budget guitar but it is a bit like; is it better to have the best house in a crap neighbourhood or a modest house in a good neighbourhood?...I know ESP produce more than budget guitars but it will be a long time before they are considered more than the Skoda of guitars.
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How else will you know which is hot and which is cold?

Taste is something which changes from country to country. I went around the Aston Martin factory and you could tell which cars were going to which country purely by the finishes specified. There were some which were a lesson in how to ruin a great car.

Back to the original post (sooo long ago) I quite like it. It is perhaps a little OTT, and would look a bit incongruous in a death metal or punk band, but otherwise, aesthetically, I don't have a problem with it.

However, there is a bit of an issue in over blinging a budget brand gutar, or anything else to that matter... gold Timex? There is no shame in having a budget guitar but it is a bit like; is it better to have the best house in a crap neighbourhood or a modest house in a good neighbourhood?...I know ESP produce more than budget guitars but it will be a long time before they are considered more than the Skoda of guitars.

What, you mean they were shit until 20 years ago, but since then have been producing low to mid price reliable commuter vehicles?
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#34
Um, what. Last time I checked ESP were one of the most established brands in metal since... something like forever.
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#35
think of how many clams had to give their lives to make all those crappy airplane sinks.



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Um, what. Last time I checked ESP were one of the most established brands in metal since... something like forever.

That's what I mean. Skoda were a fucking joke, until around 20 years ago. Sure, the Felicia wasn't pretty, but I still see plenty still running, even though production stopped in like 98 or something.

Hell, I got a Fabia new in 2000, and the worst thing that happened with it in 10 yeras was the front drivers window once disengaged from the motor that opened/closed it, and I had to tape a tarp on overnight.
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...Hell, I got a Fabia new in 2000, and the worst thing that happened with it in 10 yeras was the front drivers window once disengaged from the motor that opened/closed it, and I had to tape a tarp on overnight.


That was my point; obviously poorly made. Skoda were a joke but now command considerable respect (as do buyers) being a VW in everything but price. I drove one of the first Octavia in the UK (it was lh drive) around Siverstone. It was a properly good car.

ESP have gone from making "cheap" guitars to making "good value for money" guitars.

However, the whole bling thing suggest a level of prestige which isn't really present in the brand. You wouldn't put carbon ceramic brakes on a Skoda - well you could but why would you?
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That was my point; obviously poorly made. Skoda were a joke but now command considerable respect (as do buyers) being a VW in everything but price. I drove one of the first Octavia in the UK (it was lh drive) around Siverstone. It was a properly good car.

ESP have gone from making "cheap" guitars to making "good value for money" guitars.

However, the whole bling thing suggest a level of prestige which isn't really present in the brand. You wouldn't put carbon ceramic brakes on a Skoda - well you could but why would you?

To annoy car snobs.
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To annoy car snobs.


That would be a hell of an investment just for that pleasure and I'm not sure many would be as annoyed as heard to say "Oh bless".
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That would be a hell of an investment just for that pleasure and I'm not sure many would be as annoyed as heard to say "Oh bless".

It wouldn't just be money.

It would be the time taken to make sure that I'd buy the brakes right out from under people who wanted them for their own, marginally less unsuitable cars, and sending them links to videos of them being fitted, followed by videos of me driving safely and with considerations to road conditions to work and the shops.
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