#1
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-keystone-xl-pipeline_55e74fd1e4b0b7a9633b693c

So yeah this has been something that been floating around for awhile now and it looks like it might finally be dead considering Canada just elected a more liberal government and Obama has rejected any idea of building it.

A lot of environmentalists have been fighting this for awhile. So was it worth it?
#6
the LPC is pro-keystone and criticized the CPC for not having good enough relations with the US to get approval. continued oil sands development is ultimately incompatible with climate goals though so I'm not all that bothered. canada's economy needs to pivot significantly.
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the LPC is pro-keystone and criticized the CPC for not having good enough relations with the US to get approval. continued oil sands development is ultimately incompatible with climate goals though so I'm not all that bothered. canada's economy needs to pivot significantly.

Really? I thought the new prime minister was supposed to be a liberal god or something.
#9
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#10
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Obama hates america. Simple as that. He always has and always will


What is America to you?

Whatever it is, Obama hates it.

America is a piece of land that was named by people. Can we stop with a set idea of what America is beyomd the actuality of its identiy? Take away the land and you don't have an America with the same identity. America, is and always will be, a piece of land.

Obama does not hate the land of America...or Maybe he does. But if that was the case, wouldn't he live in a floating tower?

Answer me, bdof. Ask yoursel this question, bdof, wouldn't Obama want to live in a floating empire above America if he hated the land so much? Maybe called America Prime? "A change in position," would be the tagline. The people of America Prime would be thrilled. No more bdof tainting their soil.

BECAUSE THERE IS NO SOIL! DO YOU GET IT, BDOF?
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Republicans want to end birth-right citizenship and people say Obama is the one who hates America.
#12
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Really? I thought the new prime minister was supposed to be a liberal god or something.


Keep seeing Americans make it out like we elected Bernie Sanders or something. The Liberals are Canada's centrist party. Canadians generally lean fairly liberal on social issues and the LPC reflects that. Environmental issues are a different matter altogether. The LPC is the party which signed on to the Kyoto Accord but never followed through on any of the commitments.
#13
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Keep seeing Americans make it out like we elected Bernie Sanders or something. The Liberals are Canada's centrist party. Canadians generally lean fairly liberal on social issues and the LPC reflects that. Environmental issues are a different matter altogether. The LPC is the party which signed on to the Kyoto Accord but never followed through on any of the commitments.

I see, so even Canadian parties tend to lean towards the center on issues. Also Bernie Sanders would probably be leaning towards the right of center if we're talking about the Canadian political spectrum. He's just considered far left for being the only one saying we should adopt policies Europe has had for decades.
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I see, so even Canadian parties tend to lean towards the center on issues. Also Bernie Sanders would probably be leaning towards the right of center if we're talking about the Canadian political spectrum. He's just considered far left for being the only one saying we should adopt policies Europe has had for decades.


I don't know about center-right, but he's certainly not far-left relative to the Canadian political spectrum. Probably falls fairly closely to the NDP despite the NDP treating socialism like its a bad word for the last decade or so.
#16
I knew this deal was just a pipe dream
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#20
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#22
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Except that the best light beer is Coors





I thought you had taste :')


I will concede that Coors is the best to mix with tomato juice + a pinch of salt and pepper, however.
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#23
Beer is gross

Give me rum or bourbon and throw those nasty cans into the fucking sea
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#24
And even in his rejection he made it clear there was no real reason to do so.

Pandering prick.
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#25
dont know anything about this topic. please explain, somebody.

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Obama has pandered to the far left and has pandered to race baiters and such.

Democrats of today are a far cry from the days of Reagan and Kennedy. They now embrace socialism.

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#27
Sometimes I just don't know what's worse...

misguided libtards or completely loon conservatards

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#28
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dont know anything about this topic. please explain, somebody.


Wasn't a massive financial windfall, wasn't an environmental Armageddon, just a project that would have helped a few folks, created a few jobs and our trading partner to the North wanted it to happen.

So Obama killed it at the behest of environmental wackjobs, even though the science was clearly against them.

That's pretty much it.
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#29
so what's the other side of the argument?

btw sent a pm

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#30
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Wasn't a massive financial windfall, wasn't an environmental Armageddon, just a project that would have helped a few folks, created a few jobs and our trading partner to the North wanted it to happen.

So Obama killed it at the behest of environmental wackjobs, even though the science was clearly against them.

That's pretty much it.

But if some kind of spill does occur then shit would be pretty bad.

I think I remember my dad saying it wouldn't have even benefited US oil very much. His side of the family has an oil hauling business so I'm assuming they followed it pretty closely.
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#32
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so what's the other side of the argument?

btw sent a pm

The state department and EPA did a social cost benefit analysis where they actually included the long term costs of the CO2 emissions. Suddenly if you take into account environmental damages, the project turned out to make a massive loss. I think that is what arby means with "the science wasn't in their favour". Despite the fact that the long term costs of co2 are debatable, even the lower bound estimates provided a loss for the project. All the government did was protect the world from corporate greed.

Also didn't the project just provide like 50 american jobs lol.
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#33
Obama spilled my tea


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#34
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But if some kind of spill does occur then shit would be pretty bad.

I think I remember my dad saying it wouldn't have even benefited US oil very much. His side of the family has an oil hauling business so I'm assuming they followed it pretty closely.


Yeah, wouldn't help his business


I love that its contingent on 'spill would be bad', as if that stopped the brits from ruining our gulf in 2010.
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#35
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Yeah, wouldn't help his business


I love that its contingent on 'spill would be bad', as if that stopped the brits from ruining our gulf in 2010.

that's kind of why I worry about the possibility of a spill. Those spills were pretty fuckin awful


also, that's kind of a shitty thing to say. like, why you gotta be like that. my family's business is in a tiny Oklahoma town and mostly deals with the oil around here. From what I remember, he was speaking about the American oil company at large. Even then, I hardly remember the conversation.
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#37
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also, that's kind of a shitty thing to say. like, why you gotta be like that. my family's business is in a tiny Oklahoma town and mostly deals with the oil around here.We go to conventions and such.


like, totally.
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#38
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the LPC is pro-keystone and criticized the CPC for not having good enough relations with the US to get approval. continued oil sands development is ultimately incompatible with climate goals though so I'm not all that bothered. canada's economy needs to pivot significantly.


Ultimately the decision had nothing to do with environmentalism and everything to do with what is best for the US. They didn't think a few refinery and port jobs were worth the cost of allowing Canada a cheaper cost of transportation.

Canada's economy does need to pivot, but that isn't contingent on weakening the Oil Sands industry. Energy East is the smartest thing the country could do at this point in time, yet the idiots in Quebec are too selfish to realize that they're a part of a federation and should try to help their countrymen instead of screw them, and that the only reason they aren't going to see much economic benefit is because they decided they would rather import oil from Algeria down the St. Lawrence instead of refining Alberta bitumen and exporting it.

With that being said, I'm fairly certain Energy East will get built when the prices bounce back. Trudeau has promised to kill Northern Gateway which may or may not be a bad thing. We were going to export a lot of diluted bitumen to China for them to refine (yay, no impact to our emissions from the refining!) but the route Enbridge chose is pretty arrogant and a bad spill would do a lot to kill support for O&G.

My view on the Oil Sands is that we need to implement a fair carbon tax (not provincial cap-and-trade) and incentivize the corporations to & research ways to improve the efficiency of bitumen extraction and upgrading. Outside of the need for heat to extract and upgrade, the emissions cost of Alberta bitumen is no worse than any other oil (when the end product is gasoline). The increased emissions are a function of using natural gas to generate energy for steam/hot water and heat for upgrading.

My hope would be that the industry figures out a way to harness geothermal for steam/hot water. Nuclear fission would work fine but everyone is too afraid, with the only hope being with miniature nuclear reactors. Any other green energy innovations or efficiency improvements to upgrading/reducing venting (TankSafe is one such Alberta company) and such would be fantastic and would be easily marketed on a global scale as more and more countries are pulled into the climate change vacuum.
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#39
everything has a good and bad side to it. I could argue both sides. In the end, I probably would've supported it. It really could have helped the economy, and Obama is at a point in his presidency where he can do whatever he wants. He doesnt really have to think about the peoples approval for the next 18 months.