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#1
People who go to reddit will probably already know about this.

It's about offensive Halloween costumes.

Student shouts at professor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IEFD_JVYd0

Here's the email in question:
Dear Sillimanders:

Nicholas and I have heard from a number of students who were frustrated by the mass email sent to the student body about appropriate Halloween*wear. I’ve always found Halloween an interesting embodiment of more general adult worries about young people. As some of you may be aware, I teach a class on “The Concept of the Problem Child,” and I was speaking with some of my students yesterday about the ways in which Halloween – traditionally a day of subversion for children and young people – is also an occasion for adults to exert their control.

When I was young, adults were freaked out by the specter of Halloween candy poisoned by lunatics, or spiked with razor blades (despite the absence of a single recorded case of such an event). Now, we’ve grown to fear the sugary candy itself. And this year, we seem afraid that college students are unable to decide how to dress themselves on Halloween. I don’t wish to trivialize genuine concerns about cultural and personal representation, and other challenges to our lived experience in a plural community. I know that many decent people have proposed guidelines on Halloween costumes from a spirit of avoiding hurt and offense. I laud those goals, in theory, as most of us do. But in practice, I wonder if we should reflect more transparently, as a community, on the consequences of an institutional (which is to say: bureaucratic and administrative) exercise of implied control over college students.

It seems to me that we can have this discussion of costumes on many levels: we can talk about complex issues of identify, free speech, cultural appropriation, and virtue “signalling.” But I wanted to share my thoughts with you from a totally different angle, as an educator concerned with the developmental stages of childhood and young adulthood.

As a former preschool teacher, for example, it is hard for me to give credence to a claim that there is something objectionably “appropriative” about a blonde*haired child’s wanting to be Mulan for a day. Pretend play is the foundation of most cognitive tasks, and it seems to me that we want to be in the business of encouraging the exercise of imagination, not constraining it. I suppose we could agree that there is a difference between fantasizing about an individual character vs. appropriating a culture, wholesale, the latter of which could be seen as (tacky)(offensive)(jejeune)(hurtful), take your pick. But, then, I wonder what is the statute of limitations on dreaming of dressing as Tiana the Frog Princess if you aren’t a black girl from New Orleans? Is it okay if you are eight, but not 18? I don’t know the answer to these questions; they seem unanswerable. Or at the least, they put us on slippery terrain that I, for one, prefer not to cross.

Which is my point. I don’t, actually, trust myself to foist my Halloweenish standards and motives on others. I can’t defend them anymore than you could defend yours. Why do we dress up on Halloween, anyway? Should we start explaining that too? I’ve always been a good mimic and I enjoy accents. I love to travel, too, and have been to every continent but Antarctica. When I lived in Bangladesh, I bought a sari because it was beautiful, even though I looked stupid in it and never wore it once. Am I fetishizing and appropriating others’ cultural experiences? Probably. But I really, really like them too. Even if we could agree on how to avoid offense – and I’ll note that no one around campus seems overly concerned about the offense taken by religiously conservative folks to skin*revealing costumes – I wonder, and I am not trying to be provocative: Is there no room anymore for a child or young person to be a little bit obnoxious… a little bit inappropriate or provocative or, yes, offensive? American universities were once a safe space not only for maturation but also for a certain regressive, or even transgressive, experience;increasingly, it seems, they have become places of censure and prohibition. And the censure and prohibition come from above, not from yourselves! Are we all okay with this transfer of power? Have we lost faith in young people's capacity – in your capacity * to exercise self*censure, through social norming, and also in your capacity to ignore or reject things that trouble you? We tend to view this shift from individual to institutional agency as a tradeoff between libertarian vs. liberal values (“liberal” in the American, not European sense of the word).

Nicholas says, if you don’t like a costume someone is wearing, look away, or tell them you are offended. Talk to each other. Free speech and the ability to tolerate offence are the hallmarks of a free and open society.

But – again, speaking as a child development specialist – I think there might be something missing in our discourse about the exercise of free speech (including how we dress ourselves) on campus, and it is this: What does this debate about Halloween costumes say about our view of young adults, of their strength and judgment?

In other words: Whose business is it to control the forms of costumes of young people? It's not mine, I know that.

Happy Halloween.


Then there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM-VE8r7MSI
#2
I'm glad the media is portraying the students as bitchy children because that's exactly what they are. no one likes leaving their comfort zone these days
#4
Quote by genghisgandhi
I'm glad the media is portraying the students as bitchy children because that's exactly what they are. no one likes leaving their comfort zone these days

They didn't even leave their comfort zones. They looked at something and said "hmm, I guess I could construe that as something worth getting outraged over."


I have zero sympathy for the student, and the professor is so right in the second video. "I want to talk about my pain!", then get a therapist ffs.
Last edited by WhiskeyFace at Nov 9, 2015,
#6
University is not about creating an intellectual space?

What the fuck is it for then?
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#7
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Didn't watch. But the teacher must remember that the Earth is always a level field

I don't get it.
#8
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I don't get it.

Earth is level

Therefore it is flat
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#10
Quote by WhiskeyFace
They didn't even leave their comfort zones. They looked at something and said "hmm, I guess I could construe that as something worth getting outraged over."


I have zero sympathy for the student, and the professor is so right in the second video. "I want to talk about my pain!", then get a therapist ffs.



All this PC culture is just the 21th century White Man's Burden. Gotta be offended for all those poor, stupid minorities who don't understand how a samurai Halloween costume is actually oppression.
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Quote by StewieSwan
All this PC culture is just the 21th century White Man's Burden. Gotta be offended for all those poor, stupid minorities who don't understand how a samurai Halloween costume is actually oppression.

I don't really get what you're saying here and I wish I did because you seem like a clever guy

EDIT - ^freshmen are 10x worse than freshers
#13
Quote by WCPhils
I don't understand what they are upset about

They found some Halloween on costumes to be offensive because of cultural appropriation and possibly other things, but that's the main one. They complained the administration do something about it. Yer man sent out an email saying there's not much they can really do. They didn't like that, and pulled a wobbler.
#14
Quote by genghisgandhi
I don't really get what you're saying here and I wish I did because you seem like a clever guy

EDIT - ^freshmen are 10x worse than freshers

He's saying weebs are worse than Hitler.

Or not.
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#15
Quote by genghisgandhi
I don't really get what you're saying here and I wish I did because you seem like a clever guy

EDIT - ^freshmen are 10x worse than freshers



It's just that 9 time out of 10 the people who raise the most hell about "offensive" and "oppressive" things are privileged white people who speak out in defense of minorities, and not the actual minorities that are supposedly being offended and oppressed. It's patronizing at best and downright racist at worst.


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He's saying weebs are worse than Hitler.

Or not.



That's not what I'm saying.


However, I do not disagree
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#17
I'd also like to point out how painful it is for me, a lower-middle class Irishman with a single parent on welfare, to listen to Yale students - fucking Yale - complain about how uncomfortable they are.

Oh yeah I forgot I was a straight white male so my opinion doesn't count. My bad.
#18
Quote by WhiskeyFace at #33675060
They found some Halloween on costumes to be offensive because of cultural appropriation and possibly other things, but that's the main one. They complained the administration do something about it. Yer man sent out an email saying there's not much they can really do. They didn't like that, and pulled a wobbler.

how do these people function in society


anyway, I was Aladdin for Halloween once when I was like 9. I was also at other times a ninja, pirate, mummy, and indian. Little did I know I've been shitlording it up since childhood
Last edited by WCPhils at Nov 9, 2015,
#19
I was an alien one time, didn't even check my Earthling privilege. It's a culture not a costume.
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#21
It's amazing that such intelligent young people can be so childlike.
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#22
Quote by WhiskeyFace
They found some Halloween on costumes to be offensive because of cultural appropriation and possibly other things, but that's the main one. They complained the administration do something about it. Yer man sent out an email saying there's not much they can really do. They didn't like that, and pulled a wobbler.

I don't think that's actually what happened

My understanding was it ran like:

>Halloween is coming up
>Administration sends out a mass email outlining what is appropriate for people to be wearing, even gives examples and asks people to be mindful of what they're wearing
>This guy writes his letter saying "hey, we're adults at a university, between us we should be able to deal with people being shitlords without having to have it be a top-down enforcement of what people are allowed to wear"
>These students take his acceptance that people will wear shitty stuff as an acceptance of the harm it'll cause as well
>Get angry because they perceive this guy, who's supposed to be running this housing bit or something, as happy for the place they live to be painful to be in

Which is why she talks about creating a home etc.
#23
Lbr all these people are probably into that whole Yale thing.
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ooh look at me i'm ERIKLENSHERR and i work at fancy pants desk jobs and wear ties and ply barely legal girls with weed and booze i'm such a classy motherfucker.
#24
wait so why is the mizzou football team boycotting yale
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#25
Only some cunty university students could turn a "cultural appropriation" issue into a "oppressive institution" issue smh
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#26
Fucking hell

Hope this is just a small minority of fuckwits


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#27
Quote by tateandlyle
I don't think that's actually what happened

My understanding was it ran like:

>Halloween is coming up
>Administration sends out a mass email outlining what is appropriate for people to be wearing, even gives examples and asks people to be mindful of what they're wearing
>This guy writes his letter saying "hey, we're adults at a university, between us we should be able to deal with people being shitlords without having to have it be a top-down enforcement of what people are allowed to wear"
>These students take his acceptance that people will wear shitty stuff as an acceptance of the harm it'll cause as well
>Get angry because they perceive this guy, who's supposed to be running this housing bit or something, as happy for the place they live to be painful to be in

Which is why she talks about creating a home etc.

Oh yeah, you're right.


Why do American universities do shit like this?
#28
Quote by WhiskeyFace
Oh yeah, you're right.


Why do American universities do shit like this?

Because they're the incubator for the next generation of #shitlords, as they were for this generation, and many previous ones.
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#31
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I was an alien one time, didn't even check my Earthling privilege. It's a culture not a costume.

Free Ali
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#32
What the hell could they be mad about? The University urged people to be respectful in their costume choices. Here's the letter sent out in full.


Dear Yale students,

The end of October is quickly approaching, and along with the falling leaves and cooler nights come the Halloween celebrations on our campus and in our community. These celebrations provide opportunities for students to socialize as well as make positive contributions to our community and the New Haven community as a whole. Some upcoming events include:

• Haunted Hall Crawl & Costume Ball at Yale Peabody Museum of Natural History
• Grove Street Cemetery Tours, Grove Street Cemetery, New Haven
• YSO’s Halloween Show, Woolsey Hall

However, Halloween is also unfortunately a time when the normal thoughtfulness and sensitivity of most Yale students can sometimes be forgotten and some poor decisions can be made including wearing feathered headdresses, turbans, wearing ‘war paint’ or modifying skin tone or wearing blackface or redface. These same issues and examples of cultural appropriation and/or misrepresentation are increasingly surfacing with representations of Asians and Latinos.

Yale is a community that values free expression as well as inclusivity. And while students, undergraduate and graduate, definitely have a right to express themselves, we would hope that people would actively avoid those circumstances that threaten our sense of community or disrespects, alienates or ridicules segments of our population based on race, nationality, religious belief or gender expression.

The culturally unaware or insensitive choices made by some members of our community in the past, have not just been directed toward a cultural group, but have impacted religious beliefs, Native American/Indigenous people, Socio-economic strata, Asians, Hispanic/Latino, Women, Muslims, etc. In many cases the student wearing the costume has not intended to offend, but their actions or lack of forethought have sent a far greater message than any apology could after the fact…

There is growing national concern on campuses everywhere about these issues, and we encourage Yale students to take the time to consider their costumes and the impact it may have. So, if you are planning to dress-up for Halloween, or will be attending any social gatherings planned for the weekend, please ask yourself these questions before deciding upon your costume choice:

• Wearing a funny costume? Is the humor based on “making fun” of real people, human traits or cultures?
• Wearing a historical costume? If this costume is meant to be historical, does it further misinformation or
historical and cultural inaccuracies?
• Wearing a ‘cultural’ costume? Does this costume reduce cultural differences to jokes or stereotypes?
• Wearing a ‘religious’ costume? Does this costume mock or belittle someone’s deeply held faith tradition?
• Could someone take offense with your costume and why?

Here is a great resource for costume ideas organized by our own Community & Consent Educators (CCEs) https://www.pinterest.com/yalecces/

We are one Yale, and the actions of one affect us all…, so in whatever fashion you choose to participate in Halloween activities, we encourage everyone to be safe and thoughtful during your celebration.

Sincerely,
The Intercultural Affairs Committee-

Maria Trumpler – Office of LGBTQ Resources
Sharon Kugler – University Chaplain’s Office
Peter Crumlish – Dwight Hall Center for Public Service & Social Justice
Kelly Fayard – Native American Cultural Center
Omer Bajwa – University Chaplain’s Office
Risë Nelson – Afro American Cultural Center
Leah Cohen – Joseph Slivka Center for Jewish Life
Melanie Boyd – Office of Gender and Campus Culture
Eileen Galvez – La Casa Cultural
Brian Tompkins – Yale Athletics
Saveena Dhall – Asian American Cultural Center
Anne Kuhlman – Office of International Students & Scholars
Burgwell Howard – Yale Dean of the College Office/Office of Student Life



I just don't fucking get it. What's offensive about that? Someone help me out, here.
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#34
Quote by tateandlyle
you need to read my post


The students got mad because the dude said they were big kids that didn't need to be babysat?

Jesus christ.

Fuck Yale.
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#35
Quote by slapsymcdougal
Because they're the incubator for the next generation of #shitlords, as they were for this generation, and many previous ones.

american unis used to be where actual change came from





it's fucking embarrassing what they're turned into
#36
Quote by JustRooster
The students got mad because the dude said they were big kids that didn't need to be babysat?

Jesus christ.

Fuck Yale.

since it's tangentially relevant to this thread check the last few posts of the CFB thread
#38
how could that email be any more clear lmao
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#39


He's real
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#40
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It's amazing that such wealthy young people insulated from the rest of the world, which requires most people to be resilient adults in the face of minor disagreements, can be so childlike.


ftfy
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