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Background: Ikillintel got banned in the Paris thread and then used his multi account chuckandcolle*, to bitch about me not getting banned for making a pedophilia joke. He says I should be banned under ToS Article 13 , 13.2 example (f) & (I) and that he will call the FBI if I make another pedophilia joke.

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(i) Communications of any kind designed to stalk, abuse, sexually exploit, violently exploit, groom, act violently toward, threaten or otherwise harass another;


So my question to you boils down to this: Do you think pedophilia jokes promote pedophilia? And if you make such a joke about a random gif, did you harass someone? Make as many pedo jokes as you like to piss Ikillintel off.



*Chuck suddenly got involved when Ik got banned, yet my response to chuck got me messages by Ik.
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#2
jokes don't encourage anything, if anything the punchline of darker jokes works because the topic is so awful. You're not laughing because you find awful things hilarious, you're laughing because the topic is so awful

dark humour is but only at the appropriate time/place
#4
I hope that, that settles it then and that I get no more awful e-mails.
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#5
Sending people nasty emails over a joke is actually harassment, not the joke itself lmao
#7
Pedophilia jokes are really immature.
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#10
no

you can joke about pedo/racism/necrophilia/fascism/dead baby jokes

whatever you want

you're not going to influence anyone (unless they are actually a full-fledged ******/psycho) or stop anyone from doing anything.
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#11
he gotta stop letting pedo jokes getting him all hot and bothered
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#12
Aw, I thought this was gonna be a thread for them

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#13
Depends on the type of pedophilia jokes. Depends who's being laughed at. Depends on what we mean by 'promote'.

Humor's just a type of language designed to elicit a certain response. In the same way anything related to language can influence people, so can jokes. I'd argue humor is more powerful because it works faster within the listener and elicits a positive response, plus the way they work is by creating this sort of momentary community between you and the speaker/those who laugh/those you presume to laugh, which makes them very fucking effective at getting people on your side.

So can jokes promote something bad? Duh. They're a method of discourse.
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#14
making dead baby jokes aren't promoting the killing of babies though, you have to be pretty fvcked in the head to reach that conclusion

they're in very bad taste, but nobody hears a dead baby joke and goes "haha yeah that sounds like fun, I'm going to murder a baby now, awesome"
#15
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making dead baby jokes aren't promoting the killing of babies though, you have to be pretty fvcked in the head to reach that conclusion

they're in very bad taste, but nobody hears a dead baby joke and goes "haha yeah that sounds like fun, I'm going to murder a baby now, awesome"

That's not what I said, though.
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#17
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Aw, I thought this was gonna be a thread for them

Jimmy Savile, Gary Glitter and Rolf Harris walk into a bar in Ireland
The bartender says "oh no, not yew tree again"

Stealing this.
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#18
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That's not what I said, though.


fair enough, I think I misinterpreted it, I don't really get what you mean then....

do you mean, if a person makes a racist joke, then that can reinforce some racist beliefs in the audience? Or something like that?

because that i can see and agree that its a problem
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fair enough, I think I misinterpreted it, I don't really get what you mean then....

That comedy is essentially rhetorical and so, depending on the joke, is capable of shaping others' perspectives.

Dead baby jokes rely on escalating shock value. The more degenerate an outcome the more someone laughs. They're blatantly stupid, so everyone's aware they don't present a valid perspective.

I'd argue that they have other problems but shock humor bores me and I'd veer way off topic, so it's not really an interesting discussion.
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That comedy is essentially rhetorical and so, depending on the joke, is capable of shaping others' perspectives.

Dead baby jokes rely on escalating shock value. The more degenerate an outcome the more someone laughs. They're blatantly stupid, so everyone's aware they don't present a valid perspective.

I'd argue that they have other problems but shock humor bores me and I'd veer way off topic, so it's not really an interesting discussion.


I see what you mean now, and I sort of agree yeah

(although I find shock/dark humour funny )
#21
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I see what you mean now, and I sort of agree yeah

(although I find shock/dark humour funny )

It's not that I don't think they're capable of being funny (and clearly 'dark humor' is a fairly broad category here haha), it's that they're anti-jokes and most people don't realize that.

You'll always know the outcome. It's just '+1 worse thing' to whatever was previously said. Some comedians knows this and they exploit that to their benefit. That's really hard though.
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It's not that I don't think they're capable of being funny (and clearly 'dark humor' is a fairly broad category here haha), it's that they're anti-jokes and most people don't realize that.

You'll always know the outcome. It's just '+1 worse thing' to whatever was previously said. Some comedians knows this and they exploit that to their benefit. That's really hard though.


I think that's the part people miss, its the same about a lot of controversial humour, like I said earlier you're not laughing because the fvcked up thing is genuinely funny, you're laughing because its not funny and some people completely miss that

and yeah they are a low hanging fruit
#24
They're shitty jokes, and not even so much because it's a morbid subject. Even I can find an offensive joke funny.

No doubt you have a shit sense of humour, though, since you like memes and The Big Bang Theory.
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#26
I got a bad pedophilia joke for you:

right here

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#27
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Background: Ikillintel got banned in the Paris thread and then used his multi account chuckandcolle*, to bitch about me not getting banned for making a pedophilia joke. He says I should be banned under ToS Article 13 , 13.2 example (f) & (I) and that he will call the FBI if I make another pedophilia joke.





So my question to you boils down to this: Do you think pedophilia jokes promote pedophilia? And if you make such a joke about a random gif, did you harass someone? Make as many pedo jokes as you like to piss Ikillintel off.



*Chuck suddenly got involved when Ik got banned, yet my response to chuck got me messages by Ik.


I do not have a multi account. The user known as chuckandcolle is another individual user... I know him outside this site. Just because more than one person found your comment grossly disgusting and inappropriate does not mean they have a multi account.

Just because he does not participate in the forums doesn't make them a multi, some people read more and barely say anything here.. he seen something he thought was unjust, he also later saw something he personally thought was disgusting.

I sent you nothing short of what you have warned another user would happen to him.
You can make threats with legal action on a post where you don't know if that dude was making that up off the top of his head or if it was really happening... yet you state how images of children get you aroused and no ones supposed to say anything.

Oh I am probably that sfx guy now... I just so happen to see him in FOTB and took interest in what he was banned for.

I outlined the ToS showing you where pedophilia is against UG policy.

I do not consider any comments such as the one you made as a "Joke" and it's not joking.

You're rallying support right now from your friends on the forum.
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#29
I think I'll find myself/ talents/knowledge most useful in other areas of the forum helping people, rather then posting in The Pit. Moving on.
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#30
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I do not have a multi account. The user known as chuckandcolle is another individual user... I know him outside this site. Just because more than one person found your comment grossly disgusting and inappropriate does not mean they have a multi account.

Just because he does not participate in the forums doesn't make them a multi, some people read more and barely say anything here.. he seen something he thought was unjust, he also later saw something he personally thought was disgusting.

I sent you nothing short of what you have warned another user would happen to him.
You can make threats with legal action on a post where you don't know if that dude was making that up off the top of his head or if it was really happening... yet you state how images of children get you aroused and no ones supposed to say anything.

Oh I am probably that sfx guy now... I just so happen to see him in FOTB and took interest in what he was banned for.

I outlined the ToS showing you where pedophilia is against UG policy.

I do not consider any comments such as the one you made as a "Joke" and it's not joking.

You're rallying support right now from your friends on the forum.

M8 it has been clearly outlined why you are wrong based on the evidence you have provided. Just suck it up and accept that jokes are not against the rules. Just because you lack a sense of humour to detect jokes, no matter how bad or awful they are, doesn't mean the rest of us do. And based on your awful arguments, I doubt you have anything to contribute to the pit either.
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I think I'll find myself/ talents/knowledge most useful in other areas of the forum helping people, rather then posting in The Pit. Moving on.

Yes. Please leave.
#32
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How is pedophilia bad though? Sexual assult, harassment and that kind of stuff to a minor is horrible, but pedophilia is just a sexual attraction.

Pedo spotted
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How is pedophilia bad though? Sexual assult, harassment and that kind of stuff to a minor is horrible, but pedophilia is just a sexual attraction.


I always found interesting how similar pedophilia and other sexual attractions (e.g homosexuality) are, yet we treat the people who have them very differently in western culture.
Maybe looking at how we treat pedophiles today can give people a hint on how homosexuals used to be treated in the west (and are treated right now in some countries in the world).
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Neo youre a vile piece of garbage
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I always found interesting how similar pedophilia and other sexual attractions (e.g homosexuality) are, yet we treat the people who have them very differently in western culture.
Maybe looking at how we treat pedophiles today can give people a hint on how homosexuals used to be treated in the west (and are treated right now in some countries in the world).

Difference is that in one case a proper consent can be given and in the other it can't. Therefore one of them is a possible road to trouble.
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Difference is that in one case a proper consent can be given and in the other it can't. Therefore one of them is a possible road to trouble.


Yes, but that problem is external to the person having this attraction. In one case he can be sure he can find someone to consent eventually, but in the other case he is sure he will never find someone to consent (because they are minors). The person itself wouldn't be any different than if he was actually heterosexual or homosexual.

Thus we should treat the actual problem (people having sexual urges without being able to have consensual sex to "release" them). If this problem is solved then there would be no need to have nonconsensual sex with minors (i.e child molesting/rape).
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Yes, but that problem is external to the person having this attraction. In one case he can be sure he can find someone to consent eventually, but in the other case he is sure he will never find someone to consent (because they are minors). The person itself wouldn't be any different than if he was actually heterosexual or homosexual.

Thus we should treat the actual problem (people having sexual urges without being able to have consensual sex to "release" them). If this problem is solved then there would be no need to have nonconsensual sex with minors (i.e child molesting/rape).

You are now yourself suggesting a way in which we should treat pedophilia, yet you make no such claims for homosexuality. You yourself are doing what you just accused society of doing.

Pedophilia may be stigmatized, but there is a reason why both things are treated differently. We should do better though, yes.
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