#1
Got a Blues Jr. I like the size/weight and being able to crank it, but compared to a deluxe or deville it just doesn't sound full due to the size. Sure i can swap speaker and tubes and even give it a bigger cabinet, but I'm not sure if the cost is worth it since it would most likely only hurt the resale value of the amp. Should i look into getting another hotrod for a more full sound or would a few modifications to the Blue Jr make it sing?
#2
This is just basic general advice (since I haven't tried modding a blues jr) but i think you're pretty much on the right track yourself- if you suspect the mods won't help much, they'll only hurt the resale and you run the risk of spending almost as much as would get you a hot rod (at least if you factor in selling the BJr) without any guarantee of getting the same results. If you know the Hot Rod will do exactly what you want, in other words, it's the safer option.
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#3
i personally think a blues junior is a much better sounding amp than a hot rod deluxe, so i would mod the JR.
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#4
There are mods you can do to a BJr which could be reversed, a replacement pine cabinet as an example. However, if you want a Deluxe, as Dave has said, you would be better getting a Deluxe. Aren't they a different tube set for a start, as the BJr uses an EL84?
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#5
I would kinda avoid ANY Hot Rod series Fender makes unless you already have a few dirt pedals.
The OD channel of every Hot Rod Series amp I have played (Hot Rod Deville 4x10 extensively, the others, only occasionally) is shit.
A friend of mine has one and he never uses the OD channel on it, it sounds so bad.
And he can make a Line 6 Spider sound fairly decent.
But its got great cleans and is a damn fine pedal platform.
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#6
How exactly are new tubes and speaker going to lower the resale value of the amp? You will still have the old speaker to throw back into it.
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#7
^ Sorry i got confused I meant you're not liable to recoup what the upgrades cost (especially the replacement cabinet). Reversible? Sure. Get back what you put in? Probably not.
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#8
yeah i meant like I bought the amp for around 300, if i put $100 to $200 then I've spent 500ish on the amp when a used hot rod is around 400 and resales well. Honestly I had a HOD and sold it for a Blues JR because I wanted less watts, I liked the fact that i could make the JR break up without busting ears. I think ill be happier if I can get the JR sound better with some mods. but my question is, how much better will mods make it sound. is it worth it tho, since i could just sell my amp and buy something else for around $500
#9
But then you'll have your new speaker to use in something else. If you buy a HR Deluxe it will need actual mods unless you are happy to use it as single channel amp.
Personally, I think the BJ is a better sounding amp.
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#10
The BJ is a better sounding amp with a much worse sounding speaker

Get a decent one in there before you decide to go for a hot rod. The Eminence Cannabis Rex is my fav for the BJr, and a nice set of JJ tubes
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(a) But then you'll have your new speaker to use in something else.

(b) Personally, I think the BJ is a better sounding amp.


(a) true, but that's not absolutely guaranteed- it might be the wrong impedance, or the wrong wattage, or just not suit the next amp you get.

(b) it may well be, it's a good while since i've tried either.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#12
i persnoally thing the BJ sounds GREAT driven. but its a single channel fender. naturally driving a fender is a common place with good tone.

fender's 2nd channel drive tones are known to be pretty darn aweful, aka the 2nd channel of a hot rod. i mean, they get it done for the standard classic rock bar gig but aside from that not really worth talking about.

i would much rather get a good speaker in the BJ, a sm57 mic or a senheiser, and a solid 1-2 pedals like a OD and a boost, some combo you like to push that thing in different variations of natural drive.

ive heard more BJs on the gigging scene than any other amp...and ive never heard one sound bad. ever. if i had to name 1 amp that literally cant sound bad, its a blues junior.

the cannabis rex is good.

http://proguitarshop.com/andyscorner/humboldt-hot-rod-shootout

PGS used to sell hot rod series modded. sure you can youtube this combo or the PGS humboldt and hear what that speaker does in that amp.
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(a) true, but that's not absolutely guaranteed- it might be the wrong impedance, or the wrong wattage, or just not suit the next amp you get.
Meh. Doesn't ever guitarist have a stock of speakers that they've pulled out of amps? One day you'll use them.
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#14
possibly, but i have 3 V30s that I can't imagine ever using
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#15
Hmmm, I like both the BJr and the HRD. They do sound a bit different but not so much in a live band situation. A good OD pedal and a different speaker will probably get you there. Remember that there are no perfect amps. They all got warts and we tend to swap them out more often than really necessary. After owning about 25 different amps I think maybe I can work with these 5 for a while.
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#16
If you like the way it sounds, just get an extension cab for it, don't worry about modding it or swapping out the speaker in it. Pick up a Hot Rod 1x12 Extension cab and swap out the speaker in that for something more along the lines of your tastes. If you end up ditching the BJ, you can pick up a Hot Rod Deluxe and still have a matching extension cab.

New tubes are an inevitability with any tube amplifier, so you may as well toss some new ones in it.
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