#1
Hello again fellow forumers.

Following an achingly long amount of busyness, procrastination, and general diversions, the knob twiddling and aimless fiddling for my latest creation has finally ceased. So......

what-the-hell-was-that-crap-no-seriously-what-the-F'ing-hell-was-that-crap productions proudly presents......

Phallus Phungus

With this one I tried to get a more thumping subby bass guitar sound. In the end I pretty much failed completely, but I found the result to be no more pants than my previous bass sound

Obviously my mix skills are still way off the mark so any tips or suggestions will be grateful received. And as always, I'm more than happy to leave comments for any tracks if people leave a link.

Cheers
#2
I really dig the vocals and the song overall. I'm a huge fan of "clicky" tones from the bass that are more forward in the mix so I like that. I'd say that the part of the mix that needs some work is the drums, the cymbals need to bit little bit more up, and the snare could use some more "pop" but it sounds nicely compressed too.

A trick I like use (unless you already do it) to make my mixes cleaner is using a high pass. For guitars I put it around 100-150hz. For the bass it would be from 20-50hz, as well as for the kick, but you'll have to experiment to give those two their own "space". Im self taught so take my advice with a grain of salt :P
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#3
Hey man. I actually really like how you produced this. Although it is not a mix that would normally grab my attention, it worked really well for this song. The vocals were also very good. A lot of the black metal vocals I hear on soundcloud make me want to cry. I think the drums could do with a bit of compression as the volume levels are fairly inconsistent as between the different drums. Also bring the level of that lead around 2:30 up slightly. These are minor comments though. I thought it was very good.

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#4
blood8815 - thanks for the comments. I do high pass around the same sort of ranges as you suggest. I think the bass was around 50hz and the guitar around 120hz (any higher and it ended up with no meat to it). Originally the mix sounded cleaner in the bass/guitar cross over range because I scooped the bass there and had it all down in the 40hz to 80hz range. Problem was it got too boomy and I couldnt control the bass enough. I tried compressing and squashing with a limiter but whenever I hit enough limiting to control the rumble I lost all the dynamics, so instead of the verse being punchy it was a sort of continuous low frequency fart. not good. I think my issue is poor performance - too uneven to be easily controlled with plugins. I may try gain automation on the track next time (that'll take a while to draw ).


Richo1985 - thanks for the comments. Interesting that you mention compression of the drums. they are already compressed quite heavily (except cymbals obviously). I suspect the impression of unevenness may be down to some masking from other instruments during build ups of frequencies. Poor mixing essentially. I just listened to the track on soundcloud and notice I have got some of that "soundcloud compression whooshy cymbal crap" too - cheers soundcloud!

thank you both for your input, I'm glad you liked the vocals.

I'll head on over and check out your tracks now.

Cheers
#5
hey! I really like this track! The composition is really well put together and it's nice a brutal! I especially like the solo section riff and how the bass sneaks through the mix and stands out! the very first riff is killer and to me its just begging for a harmony the second time around. maybe play around with major thirds or fifths for that riff. Very cohesive song and it definitely grabbed my attention immediately! Well done!

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#6
Thanks for the crit!

Really digging the vocals for this! I do have to say that I'm not a huge fan of the drum's sound, though. I wish the snare had more "oomph" to it. Very catchy tune, dude! Really big fan of your work!
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#7
Hey man giving it a listen now since you gave some nice advice on my song.

The first thing I noticed is muffle everywhere. Now I am still learning to mix myself so just take my suggestions with a grain of salt, but it might help with you experimenting with the mix.

-I think you need high pass in a lot of areas especially the guitars, they seem very in the background and muffled.

-The bass seems a bit loud and overpowers the low end of the drums. I do however really like the tone you got going on and the 'ping' sound of it.

-I think you can EQ the guitar a bit to make it stand out more and give it a more 'buzz' 'chainsaw' tone.

-It sounds like the drums are just one thing... what I mean is did you separate everything (bass drum, snare, cymbal, etc) and eq each one of those? You can bring out the drums much more and with more clarity if you use some eq and high pass on each specific part.

-The solo I feel can be brought out more, raise the mids so it cuts through.

I know this is very general advice but I am learning more and more that mixing is an art and there is no 'one strategy' that fixes all. I hope this can help you in the right direction though.

Oh and one more thing, I like the song man. It's catchy, concise, and got some cool bass on it. I listened to it 3 times and enjoyed each listen.
#8
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Hey man giving it a listen now since you gave some nice advice on my song.

The first thing I noticed is muffle everywhere. Now I am still learning to mix myself so just take my suggestions with a grain of salt, but it might help with you experimenting with the mix.

-I think you need high pass in a lot of areas especially the guitars, they seem very in the background and muffled.

-The bass seems a bit loud and overpowers the low end of the drums. I do however really like the tone you got going on and the 'ping' sound of it.

-I think you can EQ the guitar a bit to make it stand out more and give it a more 'buzz' 'chainsaw' tone.

-It sounds like the drums are just one thing... what I mean is did you separate everything (bass drum, snare, cymbal, etc) and eq each one of those? You can bring out the drums much more and with more clarity if you use some eq and high pass on each specific part.

-The solo I feel can be brought out more, raise the mids so it cuts through.

I know this is very general advice but I am learning more and more that mixing is an art and there is no 'one strategy' that fixes all. I hope this can help you in the right direction though.

Oh and one more thing, I like the song man. It's catchy, concise, and got some cool bass on it. I listened to it 3 times and enjoyed each listen.


Thanks a lot for taking the time to listen and provide useful tips. I really appreciate the way you have given specific elements of advice for improvement.

The sad part is that I am aware of most of the things you suggest - I'm obviously just not doing it right!

All my drums are separate tracks with eq, compression etc. Guitars are high passed around the 125hz mark, solo given extra mids. It's really frustrating that I keep reading info on how to do it, trying to follow the theory, and still it sounds kinda pants. That "muffle" you speak of - drives me bonkers. I'm constantly listening and trying to figure out what I'm doing that makes everything sound like that. As you said (and noting is more true) - mixing is an art form, and it takes a lot of skill. Developing that skill seems to be taking me a loooong time

I'm glad you liked the song anyway.

Cheers
#9
I like this song a lot, your vocals are awesome, and I love the songs composition, very catchy, headbanging throughout the whole song!

and as a lot of other people have said, that bass tone is killer

great job on the whole thing man!