#1
http://www.guitarcenter.com/BC-Rich/Pro-X-Custom-Mockingbird-Electric-Guitar-Black-Metalflake-1371482104208.gc

I know about Fender, Gibson, and Epiphone...but I've never played a BC Rich guitar. How good are they? In comparison to my Mexican Strat...would this be better, worse, or what?

I like the way the back of the guitar looks. Looks comfy. The neck looks great and I like the access to the higher frets, but that body is fugly.

Is $299.99 a good price for this git? Does BC Rich have QC problems or will I get something that can play well straight out of the box?

Please answer in the next 3 hours and 30 minutes The sale ends soon.
#2
nothing overly fantastic on paper. pickups aren't the best, mediocre trem (although probably better than most in that price range).

a lot of the shit on behalf of BCR was on the old bronze series and lower end series. they have gotten better, but they wouldn't be my pick.

you could do a lot worse.

i would try to get your hands on one first thats just me though.
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#3
Thanks for the input. I won't be able to get my hands on one before the sale ends, unfortunately.

I'll take a pass on this one. Thanks again.
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Thanks for the input. I won't be able to get my hands on one before the sale ends, unfortunately.

I'll take a pass on this one. Thanks again.


no worries.

i have seen a similar model on MF's stupid deals quite regular for the same price. i would scope it out there when you have the cash.
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#5
I played an IronBird BC Rish before and it was OK... the neck is somehow similar to my Ibanez RG... I believe these guitars are good now...
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#6
If it's good enough for Slash it'll be good enough for mere mortals.

I would say to have a go though, personally I'm not a big fan but I know a lot of people are very fond.
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If it's good enough for Slash it'll be good enough for mere mortals.

I would say to have a go though, personally I'm not a big fan but I know a lot of people are very fond.


I've already got it. Minus the Slash part Thanks for the tip though!

http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Les-Paul/Slash-AFD-Les-Paul-Special-II-Guitar-Outfit.aspx
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#8
"Good" and "BC Rich" in the same sentence....nope
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If it's good enough for Slash it'll be good enough for mere mortals.

I would say to have a go though, personally I'm not a big fan but I know a lot of people are very fond.


Slash plays one made by their custom shop, it's probably like $3000. He definitely doesn't play a $300 import, haha.
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#10
Quote by CustomAxe
"Good" and "BC Rich" in the same sentence....nope


and this is based on what? now you are correct that Slash doesn't play an import and actually the US made ones are closer to $5000. i've been playing BC Rich's on and since the 80s and i assure you they do make some good to great guitars even in the import range. most of their good guitars are neck thru and can compete with other guitars in their price brackedt very well. check out the NJ Classic series and the Exotic series from a few years back real nice guitars. i currently play a NJ Classic eagle which is an excellent guitar. now the necks aren't for everyone and i always recommend trying them first. sure some of the cheaper bolt ons aren't great but overall quality has improved significantly in the last 10 years or so.
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and this is based on what? now you are correct that Slash doesn't play an import and actually the US made ones are closer to $5000. i've been playing BC Rich's on and since the 80s and i assure you they do make some good to great guitars even in the import range. most of their good guitars are neck thru and can compete with other guitars in their price brackedt very well. check out the NJ Classic series and the Exotic series from a few years back real nice guitars. i currently play a NJ Classic eagle which is an excellent guitar. now the necks aren't for everyone and i always recommend trying them first. sure some of the cheaper bolt ons aren't great but overall quality has improved significantly in the last 10 years or so.


Agreed. I have experience with the NJ Deluxe line and those are absolutely incredible for the price. EMGs, Floyd Rose 1000, Ebony fingerboard, neck through construction, and only around $750-$850 depending on the model. Dang nice guitars.
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#12
Damn, BC Rich is a divisive brand! Such diverse views on the quality of the instruments.
#13
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Damn, BC Rich is a divisive brand! Such diverse views on the quality of the instruments.


well BC Rich much like Dean kinda shot themselves in the foot back in the late 80s -90s. they both started out as basically boutique brands (70s-early 80s) but then started to do the import thing. early imports were japanese made and were still considered good guitars. once tehy got popular they started to make guitars for the low end market in korea (back when they first started to make guitars there, now korean made usually means good). well the quality was often poor and they became associated with the low end market. US made BC Rich's were and still are fantastic guitars (but very expensive now). in the early 2000s they got on the ball and started to make some nice guitars which for the most part are neck thru and most feature ebony fretboards. even their lower end guitars did improve. sadly the idea that they are all crap is an internet thing that keeps going even though many who promote it haven't actually played any of the nicer BC Rich's or even any at all.
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Quote by monwobobbo
well BC Rich much like Dean kinda shot themselves in the foot back in the late 80s -90s. they both started out as basically boutique brands (70s-early 80s) but then started to do the import thing. early imports were japanese made and were still considered good guitars. once tehy got popular they started to make guitars for the low end market in korea (back when they first started to make guitars there, now korean made usually means good). well the quality was often poor and they became associated with the low end market. US made BC Rich's were and still are fantastic guitars (but very expensive now). in the early 2000s they got on the ball and started to make some nice guitars which for the most part are neck thru and most feature ebony fretboards. even their lower end guitars did improve. sadly the idea that they are all crap is an internet thing that keeps going even though many who promote it haven't actually played any of the nicer BC Rich's or even any at all.


Lots of truth here. The sad thing about today´s affordable BC Richs is that they´re pretty well made guitars with unbelievably crappy pick ups, IMHO. My MiK Mockingbird sounded like mud mixed with mud with some mud added and then topped with mud. Enter a DiMarzio PAF from the late 70s and I had a whole new guitar.
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Lots of truth here. The sad thing about today´s affordable BC Richs is that they´re pretty well made guitars with unbelievably crappy pick ups, IMHO. My MiK Mockingbird sounded like mud mixed with mud with some mud added and then topped with mud. Enter a DiMarzio PAF from the late 70s and I had a whole new guitar.


yeah depends on what styles you use them for. the stock pups in my Eagle actually do blues rock really well. i have noticed and metnioned that in high gain situations that the BDSM pickups do get mushy and lack definition. my first BC Rich bought in the early 80s came stock with dimarzio super distortions and it sounded fucking great. only guitar that i let go that i honestly regret doing so.
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"Good" and "BC Rich" in the same sentence....nope


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well BC Rich much like Dean kinda shot themselves in the foot back in the late 80s -90s. they both started out as basically boutique brands (70s-early 80s) but then started to do the import thing. early imports were japanese made and were still considered good guitars. once tehy got popular they started to make guitars for the low end market in korea (back when they first started to make guitars there, now korean made usually means good). well the quality was often poor and they became associated with the low end market. US made BC Rich's were and still are fantastic guitars (but very expensive now). in the early 2000s they got on the ball and started to make some nice guitars which for the most part are neck thru and most feature ebony fretboards. even their lower end guitars did improve. sadly the idea that they are all crap is an internet thing that keeps going even though many who promote it haven't actually played any of the nicer BC Rich's or even any at all.


They all have their cheap models but, you nailed it, and the crappy era of Dean was the end of DBZ through Tropical Era. Elliot Dean the new owner has turned that around IMO. The Korean made guitars today are on par with 90's quality MIJ as well if you ask me. The internet hate I find more times than not are broke kids (15-25 not all , but in my experience) who are influenced by marketing and brand names rather than actual comparison within/across brands & bang for the buck.
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Damn, BC Rich is a divisive brand! Such diverse views on the quality of the instruments.


To me this is a bad ass BC Rich @ mid grade price range and only $500.00 more than the one you asked about... you get a lot more guitar.
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#19
I would definitely aim for a used Mockingbird ST or even Mockingbird Pro X Custom (the vintage black one with gold hw). A lot better than the one shown and probably the same price.
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#20
I had an NJ Bich years ago - thought it was a bloody nice guitar. Been looking for a Bich with a pointy headstock like that one but don't think they do them anymore
#21
Cheap BC Richs are no worse than other entry-level guitars. Mid-range though are solid guitars made by World Musical Instruments in Korea, and are a better deal than other brands.
#22
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Cheap BC Richs are no worse than other entry-level guitars. Mid-range though are solid guitars made by World Musical Instruments in Korea, and are a better deal than other brands.


Truth!

World is pumping out some of the best quality out there right now. These are a few companies who have or are currently using them.
1. DBZ/Diamond set neck models
2. BC Rich Mid-higher end neck-thru models
3. PRS SE's
4. ESP LTD neck-thru "Deluxe" models
5. Schecter higher end neck-thru models
6. Zakk Wylde's guitars(if they ever come to production)

Dean used World on some of its older models but in 2007 switched to UnSung
IMHO the UnSung (US) Korean factory is just slightly beneath in Mid -higher end Imports.
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#23
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Truth!

World is pumping out some of the best quality out there right now. These are a few companies who have or are currently using them.
1. DBZ/Diamond set neck models
2. BC Rich Mid-higher end neck-thru models
3. PRS SE's
4. ESP LTD neck-thru "Deluxe" models
5. Schecter higher end neck-thru models
6. Zakk Wylde's guitars(if they ever come to production)

Dean used World on some of its older models but in 2007 switched to UnSung
IMHO the UnSung (US) Korean factory is just slightly beneath in Mid -higher end Imports.


interesting. good to know that that factory produces good guitars for others as well.
#24
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I had an NJ Bich years ago - thought it was a bloody nice guitar. Been looking for a Bich with a pointy headstock like that one but don't think they do them anymore


no they use the original style headstock for most of their original line of guitars. personally i greatly prefer the 3 x 3 headstock to the pointy one that came out in the 80s. cloud inlays look classier to (although the diamond ones can be sharp).
#25
Quote by Ikillintel
Truth!

World is pumping out some of the best quality out there right now. These are a few companies who have or are currently using them.
1. DBZ/Diamond set neck models
2. BC Rich Mid-higher end neck-thru models
3. PRS SE's
4. ESP LTD neck-thru "Deluxe" models
5. Schecter higher end neck-thru models
6. Zakk Wylde's guitars(if they ever come to production)

Dean used World on some of its older models but in 2007 switched to UnSung
IMHO the UnSung (US) Korean factory is just slightly beneath in Mid -higher end Imports.


Also, Agiles. Dean's parent company does get some of their guitars so I figure Dean must still use them as well.
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Also, Agiles. Dean's parent company does get some of their guitars so I figure Dean must still use them as well.


Agile are owned by Rondo Music. A lot of these manufactures use the same Korean factories to mass produce guitars. But like I said, currently Dean is using UnSung not WMI.

Dean Guitars is owned by Armadillo enterprises who also own ddrum and Luna Guitars.

Also C ###### is Cort factory so if you have an Ibby.
S is Samick
C is Cort
W is World Music Ins
Y is Yoojin China
US is UnSung
E is World
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Even this year Armadillo was still importing guitars from WMI.


Which ones?
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