#1
Hey, out of interest I'm on a search for 24" scale length guitars with humbuckers. Sadly old man google is having a bit of a hard time with that request since he thinks that the 24 means 24 frets. And "short scale length" results in a bunch of kiddy guitars, although there WAS a sweet spongebob one.

All I can really find is what you'd expect, the HH variants of the fender jaguar and its siblings. I'm not really looking for a trem bridge which is one of my problems. I WAS considering the idea of replacing the bridge of a HH jaguar with a hardtail but I'm not sure that's possible dimensionally, if you have light to shed on this matter please do.

I would also prefer a hardtail style bridge instead of a tune-o-matic style one because of the individual saddle action adjustment, nothing like the ease of adjusting action on a strat. Still not a whammy man though.

SO, any 24" scale humbucker guitars come to mind? Or perhaps you'd like to crush my dreams of replacing a jaguar bridge with a hardtail. It's up to you.
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#2
You could get a Brian May and swap the singlecoils for hotrails...

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#3
Considered some fine duncan hot rails as well, yeah. A bit more money but it's certainly a good solution for any single coil guitars.
#4
I have the Fender Kurt Cobain Jaguar.

Any specific reason for not wanting a trem? The Jag trem is not a Floyd Rose. You can totally ignore it and you'll never notice it's there, unless you're doing double bends all the time... Even then, with a high tension on the spring, the bridge won't give much.
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I have the Fender Kurt Cobain Jaguar.

Any specific reason for not wanting a trem? The Jag trem is not a Floyd Rose. You can totally ignore it and you'll never notice it's there, unless you're doing double bends all the time... Even then, with a high tension on the spring, the bridge won't give much.

Interesting, I was more wondering about the trem in terms of tuning stability. Would you say your guitar stay in good tune after bends? I'm not that worried about the trem getting in the way, I play fairly daintily.

Another thing about the Jag is the bridge itself only has the two screws at either side for action adjusting where I like the strat saddle style you get on hardtails where you can adjust each string's action.

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Why 24", if we can ask?
Oh, 24" for the slightly less string tension in standard tuning.
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Oh, 24" for the slightly less string tension in standard tuning.


I get that, but there's also the possibility of simply putting a skinnier set of strings on.
Since you play daintily already...
#8
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I get that, but there's also the possibility of simply putting a skinnier set of strings on.
Since you play daintily already...
Well, already running 9 gauge daddarios right now :P Guess I could try going for the 8 gauge ones but they seem a bit specialised, pretty sure my local shop doesn't even have them. I've been fancying a shiny new guitar lately anyway, just need to raise appropriate funds
#9
Quote by sasquatchjosh96
Interesting, I was more wondering about the trem in terms of tuning stability. Would you say your guitar stay in good tune after bends? I'm not that worried about the trem getting in the way, I play fairly daintily.

Another thing about the Jag is the bridge itself only has the two screws at either side for action adjusting where I like the strat saddle style you get on hardtails where you can adjust each string's action.

Oh, 24" for the slightly less string tension in standard tuning.


I've played Strats for years (the Jag is rather new) but I haven't noticed any more tuning issues than with a fixed bridge - the possible tuning issues comes from use of the trem, not it's existence, in my experience. Tuning issues with bends has more to do with strings catching in a badly cut nut.

A TOM bridge has a fixed radius, true - but you'd set up a Strat-bridge like that too, strings evenly radiused after the fingerboard to achieve equal string height for each string, wouldn't you not?

It's true you get less string tension with 24'' than with 25,5'' for example, but that lack of tension also means you'll probably need thicker strings to not allow the tension to get too low - the strings can pop out of the saddles if tension is too low, especially with the angle that the Jaguar has the strings over the bridge at (and the reason most people swap the standard Jaguar bridge for something else). It's a different feel though, definitely feels closer between the frets and something I would recommend for someone with smaller hands. But if string tension if the main concern, have you considered getting a smaller gauge set? There are 8-38 sets available if you look around.
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I've played Strats for years (the Jag is rather new) but I haven't noticed any more tuning issues than with a fixed bridge - the possible tuning issues comes from use of the trem, not it's existence, in my experience. Tuning issues with bends has more to do with strings catching in a badly cut nut.

A TOM bridge has a fixed radius, true - but you'd set up a Strat-bridge like that too, strings evenly radiused after the fingerboard to achieve equal string height for each string, wouldn't you not?

It's true you get less string tension with 24'' than with 25,5'' for example, but that lack of tension also means you'll probably need thicker strings to not allow the tension to get too low - the strings can pop out of the saddles if tension is too low, especially with the angle that the Jaguar has the strings over the bridge at (and the reason most people swap the standard Jaguar bridge for something else). It's a different feel though, definitely feels closer between the frets and something I would recommend for someone with smaller hands. But if string tension if the main concern, have you considered getting a smaller gauge set? There are 8-38 sets available if you look around.

That's reassuring because I have unfortunately small hands.

Good news on the tuning then. I could try out the 8 gauges but I did make this thread because I'm genuinely interested in 24" scale guitars. Also, swapping out the jag bridge is a common thing then? So how much fuss would it be putting in a hardtail do you think? There'd be a bit of body work needing to be done I guess, drilling in some screwholes. The strings wouldn't pass back to the trem section anymore as well, right?
#11
Some of the string sites sell 7s or even 6s...usually individually.
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Some of the string sites sell 7s or even 6s...usually individually.

Damn. Might as well crack out the razor wire.
#13
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Also, swapping out the jag bridge is a common thing then? So how much fuss would it be putting in a hardtail do you think?

Get one with the tremolo lock slider (I'm pretty sure everything US Fender has the lock, cheaper options don't always but the locking version of the tremolo assembly can be bought reasonably cheaply), tape up the bridge posts so it doesn't shift (or buy a Staytrem or Mastery; the former can be bought in an immobilised option and the latter is always immobilised, but also expensive), put the slider in place and turn the tension screw until the plate is firmly decked against the lock. Effectively hardtail.
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#14
I play a 24.75 length with 11 gauge string and they still feel too flimsy for me. I'm thinking of going up to 12s.

Just get an acoustic with thick strings and play it hard everyday for a month or two.

Then go back to the electric.
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Damn. Might as well crack out the razor wire.



Plays with 7's.
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I play a 24.75 length with 11 gauge string and they still feel too flimsy for me. I'm thinking of going up to 12s.

Just get an acoustic with thick strings and play it hard everyday for a month or two.

Then go back to the electric.


Good luck with the mobility in your hands as you get older. Bending on that certainly isn't good for the joints and tendons in your hands. Nothing to do with strength in itself.

9's on 24,75'' and a light touch is where it's at for me.
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Plays with 7's.


awwwww yeeeeeah
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Good luck with the mobility in your hands as you get older. Bending on that certainly isn't good for the joints and tendons in your hands. Nothing to do with strength in itself.

9's on 24,75'' and a light touch is where it's at for me.



Tell that to Buddy Guy. He's still rocking 11s and he's 80.


I play 9s myself though. It's all about what you like at the end of the day.
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#20
Welp, my thread about guitars has turned into a thread about strings. Oh well.
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#22
^USACG is closed down now.
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Yeah some of the guys on here checked last year or the year before and they were closed.
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