#1
Hey guys, I'm looking to add acoustic sounds to my live set up, on the fly. It isn't something crucial, more of something I want for one song every set (3 sets a day, 5 times a week) and for the occasional cover song/ original songs that don't just have a normal clean electric guitar.

Anyway, the more and more I think about this idea the more I find it to be something I would actually need(prefer) and use, and not just a gimmick.

I would make a mod to either my Godin Radiator, or Dillion LP copy. I don't feel like altering my SG standard. I'm substantially more interested in modding the Godin.

I also don't want a pedal, unless there is something astronomical that I should take into consideration.

For a price, if it were a modification I really wouldn't want to spend more than around $100, before the price of installation (should it require something more than my limited knowledge). Price can be extended for a great pedal or something I can do myself.

So far, the only promising thing I've seen was the Fishman TOM bridge, but that "might" require an additional preamp. That is nearly $300 before installation.
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#2
I play mostly acoustic, and I'm also interested in "acousticness" in electric guitars.

I've never found a satisfactory way of doing it. AFAIK, the choice comes down to an EQ pedal of some kind or a piezo pickup. The acoustic emulator pedals I have tried have been truly awful, and neither they nor piezos can get the attack and sustain characteristics of an acoustic. If you do try a piezo solution, I think you will also need some kind of active preamp or mixer to make the output compatible with that of the magnetics.

I know this is all a bit negative, but it is based on personal experience.
Last edited by Tony Done at Dec 14, 2015,
#3
You want it good or you want it cheap?
you really need to decide that before going any further.
Prs se Holcomb is the answer
#4
I just don't want to go overboard on this investment. Yes I'd like it, and yes I'd use it daily, but I don't need to break the bank. I also don't really know much about what I want to do. I'd like to not have to swap guitars a lot for gigs, especially those cover shows for 4 hours a night. But if it can't be done for an appropriate price, it can't be done.
Splawn Street Rod
H&K Tubemeister 5
Line 6 G90 System

Gibson SG Standard
Godin Radiator
Dillion 653 GA/3CT
Seagull Coastline s6
New Music on Spotify
#5
If you are looking to mod one of the guitars you currently have the best thing is a fishman or a ghost tech bridge replacement and an onboard preamp.

or to buy a guitar that has that built in.

the cheap way to do it is with a pedal.
Prs se Holcomb is the answer
#6
Quote by AcousticMirror
If you are looking to mod one of the guitars you currently have the best thing is a fishman or a ghost tech bridge replacement and an onboard preamp.

or to buy a guitar that has that built in.

the cheap way to do it is with a pedal.


this in a nut shell. pretty tough to get realistic acoustic sounds from an electric for sure. personally i use the middle pickup on my strat and dial back the volume some. not true acoustic by any strech but it works for when i need it to kinda sound like an acoustic live.
#7
Quote by AcousticMirror
If you are looking to mod one of the guitars you currently have the best thing is a fishman or a ghost tech bridge replacement and an onboard preamp.

or to buy a guitar that has that built in.

the cheap way to do it is with a pedal.

Yea I just brought my question to both of the techs I used and this was their response as well. seems like my best option would be buying a used instrument with those features that I want, which just isn't worth it to me. I am going to keep those two brands in mind though, thanks for the help. This is one area where I don't really have much experience.
Splawn Street Rod
H&K Tubemeister 5
Line 6 G90 System

Gibson SG Standard
Godin Radiator
Dillion 653 GA/3CT
Seagull Coastline s6
New Music on Spotify
#8
Quote by monwobobbo
this in a nut shell. pretty tough to get realistic acoustic sounds from an electric for sure. personally i use the middle pickup on my strat and dial back the volume some. not true acoustic by any strech but it works for when i need it to kinda sound like an acoustic live.


Unless you have a Variax.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8E1Yw7ixtM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFhMrkHqM6Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2BlGF-Peec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx-GlLWPRSA
Last edited by dspellman at Dec 14, 2015,
#9
You've seen the best options, really. The one thing not mentioned that I can suggest is selling the Radiator and buying a guitar with a Fishman or other piezo system built in. I know Parker makes several, and Fret-King has the Gordon Giltrap Elise. Godin might make one, but I forget.

Carvin's Alan Holdsworth models have a piezo option as well, as I recall, and you may be as to find a used one at a nice price.
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Dec 14, 2015,
#11
Quote by monwobobbo
which is a guitar with built in electronics not really the same thing . a good pedal will get you that as well not really about the guitar.


Sorry, you have no clue whatsoever. No "good pedal" will get you any of that.
If you get a chance, try a Variax so that you'll understand the differences.
#12
I mean if you like your godin you can always sell it and grab one of their three voice guitars.
they are pretty well known for their acoustic emulator guitars.
Prs se Holcomb is the answer
#13
Just checked- the Godin xtSA, LGX-SA, Freeway SA, Acousticaster and A6 Ultra all have a transducer bridge.
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Dec 14, 2015,
#14
Quote by dspellman
Sorry, you have no clue whatsoever. No "good pedal" will get you any of that.
If you get a chance, try a Variax so that you'll understand the differences.


dude really? do you not think that i haven't tried them already. if you really want to believe that no pedal can duplicate that then feel free but we both know better. the variax does a good job but you can't tell me that it's impossible for a pedal to give you the same. a good pedal with similar electronics certainly will. sorry but the variax is not a be all end all item if it was then we'd all be using them.
#15
Quote by monwobobbo
dude really? do you not think that i haven't tried them already. if you really want to believe that no pedal can duplicate that then feel free but we both know better. the variax does a good job but you can't tell me that it's impossible for a pedal to give you the same. a good pedal with similar electronics certainly will. sorry but the variax is not a be all end all item if it was then we'd all be using them.


There are no pedals with "similar electronics." None. Zero. Zip.
And none that "can duplicate that." There's just a real basic misunderstanding of what the Variax is doing evident there. Take another look.
#16
Quote by dspellman
There are no pedals with "similar electronics." None. Zero. Zip.
And none that "can duplicate that." There's just a real basic misunderstanding of what the Variax is doing evident there. Take another look.


after some research i guess i have to admit defeat on this. my bad
#17
Thanks for your suggestions guys. I've heard all the opinions and I just don't think it's worth the investment right now. Thanks for all your suggestions, I appreciate being talked down from the ledge on this one!
Splawn Street Rod
H&K Tubemeister 5
Line 6 G90 System

Gibson SG Standard
Godin Radiator
Dillion 653 GA/3CT
Seagull Coastline s6
New Music on Spotify
#18
Quote by Katsock
Thanks for your suggestions guys. I've heard all the opinions and I just don't think it's worth the investment right now. Thanks for all your suggestions, I appreciate being talked down from the ledge on this one!

Fair enough, but if I may play Devil's Advocate for a minute...

XtSA
Used for sale
https://reverb.com/item/1318003-godin-xtsa-2012-trans-black
Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJW_ackqvbs&sns=em


LGX-SA
Used for sale
https://reverb.com/item/1437723-godin-lgx-sa-1999-natural
Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1xgWmh8NEw&sns=em


Freeway SA
Used for sale
https://reverb.com/item/1113248-godin-freeway-sa-black
https://reverb.com/item/742015-godin-freeway-sa-2011-black


A6 Ultra
https://reverb.com/item/1348036-godin-a6-ultra-w-gigbag?_aid=pla¤cy=USD&pla=1&gclid=CjwKEAiAkb-zBRC2upezwuyguQ4SJADZG08vklr4XOLnX-a-iTCKDRvItRXV-cIk6oHC2zoPflJFoxoCjW3w_wcB

Demos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvzj_vNYqHo&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=934NFWa2uik&sns=em


IMHO, the acoustic tones from those Godins is pretty decent, and their other tones are pretty sweet, too. And as you can see, a used one can be had for not a hell of a lot of money.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Dec 15, 2015,
#19
Cheap way, drop your tone on your guitar too 5-7, switch too your bridge pickup. On your amp increase bass and mids and drop treble back a bit. if you have reverb or delay add in a bit of that. Consider using your fingers (no nail) as well to play.

or buy a cheap acoustic.
#20
A used Epiphone Les Paul Ultra can be had for $400-500. I have one and it works OK for my needs. I also have two acoustic electrics but on gigs where there is no room (most places) I just bring my Ultra II with the Nanomag neck pup. It's not a perfect acoustic sound but it produces a decent acoustic overtone and can be mixed with the humbuckers for a bigger sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn54VB33U3Y
Yes I am guitarded also, nice to meet you.
Last edited by Rickholly74 at Dec 15, 2015,