#1
Hello everyone again, it has been some time. I am wondering if there are any better amps than I currently have.

I am currently using a Peavey 112. The reason why I am upgrading is because I am dissatisfied by its gain channel. It is very sub par even with a new speaker I have had in it for about 2 years now. It's time to part ways with this amp even though its clean channel brings tears of joy to my eyes.

I am looking for an amp in the $500 range. I like blues (SRV), alt/indie rock(Smashing Pumpkins, Silversun Pickups), and every once in a while some metal-esque stuff(Like Joe Satriani). Metal isn't really a concern at all. I mainly use my strats. I currently have a fuzz pedal (big muff 1970s clone) so I have my alt/indie rock covered. This amp I am getting must not be weak gain wise. All around good even with cleans especially.

The amp must be tube. I would prefer an amp with a minimum of 50 watts 1x12. I have no preference of size other than that. I am very open, anything from a combo to even a head/cab setup. I live in the Minneapolis MN area. I only would like to buy used. It isn't just for home use, I will use it for playing with a band as well.

Thanks in advance !
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#2
Look for a used Marshall JCM2000 DSL401
Laney AOR 50/100 (but you will need a cab)
Peavey JSX 2x12
Mesa Studio 22 1x12
Mesa SOB 1x12


all worth a look used
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
#3
Carvin's V3MC might work for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ued4vMuRXLM&sns=em

But they're just a tad over your budget:
https://reverb.com/item/1425361-v3mc-3-channel-all-tube-micro-combo-in-tweed-free-footswitch


I think it also comes as a head, so you can pair it with your preferred cabinet.
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#4
A used Orange Tiny Terror combo might work for you. Although it may be lacking in the wattage department, it can still get quite loud.

https://reverb.com/item/676078-orange-tiny-terror-combo-1x12
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#5
Don't limit yourself to 50 watts, that's a tall order for your price range too. A 30 watt amp will keep up with a 50 watt almost every time. Then you have a lot more options. I'm using a 15 watt amp along with my 45 watt Super Reverb, it works great, I rarely have to crank the Super Reverb more than halfway with the band I'm in and the 15 watt amp keeps up with it just fine. (Fender Pro Jr) The only problem with it is I have to use a EQ to get enough bass so it doesn't sound thin next to the Super Reverb.

You might consider used, quite a few good amps can be found at good prices if you look around, I always check out pawn shops before I look anywhere else. A good tube amp and a few bucks to do some minor repairs, like replacing capacitors, can total less than a new amp by far.

I'm not a huge Marshall fan, but a lot of people like them, Peavey has made some excellent tube amps, Vox is making some good low wattage combos, and I think the Fender Blues Jr is one of the biggest selling amps around right now, and it's only 15 watts. but it sounds good and gets enough volume for all but the largest clubs. I played my Pro Jr in a large club Friday night, no problems at all and only had the volume on about 4. Don't sell a lower wattage amp short...Mike Campbell, guitar player for Tom Petty, uses a 18 watt Fender Princeton onstage at huge stadiums...mic it into the PA and you're set...
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#6
Quote by Robbgnarly
Look for a used Marshall JCM2000 DSL401
Laney AOR 50/100 (but you will need a cab)
Peavey JSX 2x12
Mesa Studio 22 1x12
Mesa SOB 1x12


all worth a look used


^^this! All of these amps will bring serious tone and the 20w Mesa Studio will run over top of the 80w Peavey Bandit without breaking a sweat.
"Your sound is in your hands as much as anything. It's the way you pick, and the way you hold the guitar, more than it is the amp or the guitar you use." -- Stevie Ray Vaughan

"Anybody can play. The note is only 20 percent. The attitude of the motherfucker who plays it is 80 percent." -- Miles Davis

Guthrie on tone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmohdG9lLqY
#7
Find a used Carvin Nomad or Belair.

50W, EL84s, two channels, Seriously loud if you need it to be, absolutely gorgeous cleans on the clean channel. The Soak (gain) channel was designed with Alan Holdsworth, very smooth.
If you're lucky, you'll find one with Vintage 30's (stock at one point, currently an extra cost option if you order new).

There are mods available that some users believe should have been incorporated into the amp from the get-go. Google Hasserl Mods. If that gain channel is a bit too "blanket over the amp" for you, have your tech do the Stage II mods (my Belair's personal choice) and you'll probably never look back.
#8
Rough approximation - a 50 watt amp will only be a few decibels louder than a 25 watt amp.

I just saw a used Marshall DSL40c on craigslist for 350$. It would do the job. They're usually between 400-500$ used on craigslist.
#9
Might also look for an older Carvin X100B series. The 1x12 version I have is the XV112 and usually has a B or E tacked onto the end. That designates either a B British voiced 100W speaker or an E EV-L speaker as delivered originally.

Absolutely killer amp in the late '80's, early '90's. 100W, EL34s, these were close cousins to Mesa's of the time, with things like active controls, five-band EQ, much more. Some of them are covered in "mouse fur," some are in solid oak cases. Killer clean channel, very good reverb tank, awesome gain channel, and the active controls really allow you to do a wide range of sounds.

If it's a single 12" combo, it's the older model and IMHO, best choice. Carvin did reissue the amp (and it continues in their line), but the smallest is a 2x12. The transformers on the new ones are smaller and some versions of the new one came with Rocket 50's (Yuck, IMHO). The new ones have a digital reverb that's actually extremely good. Not as loud (especially the versions with the Rocket 50's).

I've run my little 1x12 into a full stack and outshouted Marshalls easily, but I think that's due to the original large and heavy transformers on the older beasties. A usable and very good sub for the EV-L or the original Brit speaker would be an Eminence Delta ProA (look in the Pro Audio section of theor website). Priced like a Vintage30, power handling right there with the EV (200-400W capable), with bottom end capabilities down to around 52Hz.

Please note, however, that between the transformers and the weight of the magnet on an EV or Delta ProA, you WILL be lengthening your arm if you're carrying it around much.
#10
Quote by dspellman
Might also look for an older Carvin X100B series. The 1x12 version I have is the XV112 and usually has a B or E tacked onto the end. That designates either a B British voiced 100W speaker or an E EV-L speaker as delivered originally.

Absolutely killer amp in the late '80's, early '90's. 100W, EL34s, these were close cousins to Mesa's of the time, with things like active controls, five-band EQ, much more. Some of them are covered in "mouse fur," some are in solid oak cases. Killer clean channel, very good reverb tank, awesome gain channel, and the active controls really allow you to do a wide range of sounds.


And when they hit the used market, they are REALLY a bargain. I saw 2 combos on Reverb earlier this year- each under $400. Shipping was over $100 because of their weight.

...and they didn't stay on the site very long, either. Someone knew what they were looking at and snatched them up.
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#11
you can find pretty good used Tube amps in that range.

My local shop has a Peavey Classic 30, in tweed - mint w/pedal for under $400.

The local GC by me has a Fender Deville 4x10 Tube (USED) for $595 - im sure they would come down a little on it.

Craigslist.org in Minneapolis MN currently has 927 listings for AMP.
Fender HRD - LTD.
Epi Les Paul 100 series Lefty w/ SD HRD
Fender Mexi Tele - Lefty
Martin D45 lefty
BlueRidge BR- 160 - 12 Lefty
Ditto X2 Looper
Ibanez TS-9, FL 301('79)
MXR Carbon Copy, COMP
Fulltone OCD
EB VP Jr.
#12
^ +1 Clark

Here are few I would look into in no particular order


http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/5361826392.html Peavey Classic 30
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/5361827245.html Carvin BelAir 212
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/msd/5347985898.html Peavey VTM 60 head
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/msg/5359010435.html Crate Blue Voodoo 6212
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/msd/5315727748.html VHT 112
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/msg/5353429775.html Vox AC50 head
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/5316608025.html Marshall DSL 40C
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/msg/5347337519.html DV Mark 40
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/msg/5357500516.html Peavey Valvking 100 w/cab
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/msg/5334420540.html Vox AC15
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/5362127639.html H&K Tubemeister (hybrid) 18 head
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/5357109209.html Ampeg Jet 20
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/5355302606.html Mesa F50
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/msg/5359201124.html Carvin V3 head
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/msg/5327829238.html Jet City JCA50 w/cab
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/msd/5298976439.html Line 6 Vetta
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/5327704433.html Ampeg VT22
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/msg/5328215866.html Line 6 Spider Valve

Some do not include a cabinet, some are over your budget a bit, some may not have the best clean channel (or no clean channel), some may not have the best overdrive for metal-esques stuff, but hey....gotta start somewhere.

I'd probably lean toward the F50 or the Jet City or the VTM or the Vox
#13
I will reply to everyone soon, but with my price range should I be sticking with a combo style amp or a head/cab? Will i get a better variety sticking with combos and therefore better tone? Also those Carvin X100B 1x12 are hard to find dang

edit: omg there are too many amps to choose from lol, what should be my top 5 choices from everyones posts? thx

also my absolute max is $600
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#14
A head + cabinet is more expensive than a combo, usually. However, if you want a variety of amps and are happy with your cabinet, you'll save money in the long run buying heads instead of buying more combos.

Plus, they can be easier to carry and store.

But personally, I prefer combos, since I don't wan to deal with the extra cables, matching impedances, etc.
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Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#15
Peavey Blues
Vox AC15
Blues deluxe jr
used Blues Deluxe RI
Fender Lefty Stratocaster
Ernie Ball Super Slinky Purple Strings
Vox AC15
Misc. Pedals
#16
From CL, the Mesa F-50, Carvin Bel Air, and Peavey Classic 30 are slam-dunk great gig amps. Different styles and tone but they all sing. Buy one today.
"Your sound is in your hands as much as anything. It's the way you pick, and the way you hold the guitar, more than it is the amp or the guitar you use." -- Stevie Ray Vaughan

"Anybody can play. The note is only 20 percent. The attitude of the motherfucker who plays it is 80 percent." -- Miles Davis

Guthrie on tone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmohdG9lLqY
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#17
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From CL, the Mesa F-50, Carvin Bel Air, and Peavey Classic 30 are slam-dunk great gig amps. Different styles and tone but both sing. Buy one today.


Lists 3 amps, talks about "both". You been hitting the medicinal again?

Edit: Yeah, I saw the edit, don't care...
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#18
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Lists 3 amps, talks about "both". You been hitting the medicinal again?

Edit: Yeah, I saw the edit, don't care...


I added the Bel Air because I missed it earlier but definitely a worthy contender.
"Your sound is in your hands as much as anything. It's the way you pick, and the way you hold the guitar, more than it is the amp or the guitar you use." -- Stevie Ray Vaughan

"Anybody can play. The note is only 20 percent. The attitude of the motherfucker who plays it is 80 percent." -- Miles Davis

Guthrie on tone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmohdG9lLqY
#19
I was going to suggest a Bel Aire, but didn't because I was unsure as to its ability to handle "metal-esque stuff(Like Joe Satriani)".

But yeah, great amp, especially for the money!
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#20
^ yeah....I'm not real sure one that BelAir either. I've never played one. The only time I usually even recommend amps that I've never played is making lists like this off a classified search.


Quote by agentguerry
Peavey Blues
Vox AC15
Blues deluxe jr
used Blues Deluxe RI

As much as those are not amps I'd buy for his list there actually were all of those I think and a HRD and a Pro Jr available in his area. Nothing would hurt playing some of them either at a store or whatever. For What It Is Worth.
#22
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the Belair will need a pedal to do metal , but it takes pedals wonderfully


metal isn't really that much of a concern, I just want the higher gain.
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#24
Quote by diabolical
OP, I'd suggest to look at a certified used through Guitar Center or such, look up JSX, Traynor YCV50B, Vox AC15... new maybe the Valveking.


I was talking to a GC employee about "certified used," and he laughed and said, "That's when one of us looks at the tolex falling off, the dust on every part of it and the missing screws and says, 'Yup, I'll certify that's USED.' "
#25
What do you think of the F50 for $600? is that a good deal? Is this a good amp overall? thanks btw
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#26
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I was talking to a GC employee about "certified used," and he laughed and said, "That's when one of us looks at the tolex falling off, the dust on every part of it and the missing screws and says, 'Yup, I'll certify that's USED.' "


That might be so but they warranty it for 90 days I think (or it was 30?) so if you buy online and it is crap they pay return shipping and everything.

The F50 IMO is a good amp, but some people find it bland as it lacks the usual Mesa tweakability. I think they are very good especially when supplemented with a few pedals.
#27
Quote by diabolical
That might be so but they warranty it for 90 days I think (or it was 30?) so if you buy online and it is crap they pay return shipping and everything.

The F50 IMO is a good amp, but some people find it bland as it lacks the usual Mesa tweakability. I think they are very good especially when supplemented with a few pedals.

better than a valveking 112 rite

edit: also what kind of pedals?
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#29
Quote by 457undead
What do you think of the F50 for $600? is that a good deal? Is this a good amp overall? thanks btw


That is a great amp for DT. Buy it! I own the F-30 and it is just pro quality thru and thru. Three gain stages give you Fender Twin clean, classic Mk I Mesa Singing sustain, and more aggressive Satch/Vai/Petrucci tone. It's not a total metal shred machine like the Dual Rec but for everything else.
"Your sound is in your hands as much as anything. It's the way you pick, and the way you hold the guitar, more than it is the amp or the guitar you use." -- Stevie Ray Vaughan

"Anybody can play. The note is only 20 percent. The attitude of the motherfucker who plays it is 80 percent." -- Miles Davis

Guthrie on tone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmohdG9lLqY
#30
OD, EQ, Chorus, Delay...

For OD and Chorus: Voodoolabs

Other OD flavors I like: Thinman, Narlie Dude, Zen Drive, Marshall Guvnor

Delay - TC, Strymon...or even Boss DD3

EQ - MXR is what I like but I use a cheapie DOD from time to time.