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19 59%
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13 41%
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#1
Pope Francis writes,

Work is a necessity, part of the meaning of life on this earth, a path to growth, human development and personal fulfilment. Helping the poor financially must always be a provisional solution in the face of pressing needs. The broader objective should always be to allow them a dignified life through work. Yet the orientation of the economy has favoured a kind of technological progress in which the costs of production are reduced by laying off workers and replacing them with machines. This is yet another way in which we can end up working against ourselves.

The loss of jobs also has a negative impact on the economy “through the progressive erosion of social capital: the network of relationships of trust, dependability, and respect for rules, all of which are indispensable for any form of civil coexistence”. In other words, “human costs always include economic costs, and economic dysfunctions always involve human costs”. To stop investing in people, in order to gain greater short-term financial gain, is bad business for society.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html


I tend to agree, because if every job's done by a machine, what are we supposed to do all day.
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#4
Depends on the job. I mean, what dignity is there in work that a mindless mechanical drone can be programmed to do better, faster and more reliably than a human?
#5
I voted yes, I am hoping for a Terminator 2 type of future. That would be a cool future.
SANDBLAST YOURSELF.


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If you think Gollum was sober with his whole "Gollum/Smeagol" thing and thinking he was invisible with the ring, then you need to remove the cotton wool from your eyes.

Wake up sheeple.

Sunaj
#6
Shit no, we have enough lazy bums in the world sitting around on their computer screens being fat and can't move.

We need more productive human beings that will actually work in life.

All these insignificant people are such a waste of molecules and space.

It would be best to get rid of them.
#7
I don't really know how I feel about this topic. I've thought about it quite a bit and I still don't know where I stand on it. If it gets to the point where machine are basically doing almost all of the work there would have to be an extreme societal shift and I think it would be very messy and we would have to have some form of socialism. I guess everyone could direct their time how they want, pursue higher education and do research and stuff if that's your thing, or play video games all day, or make music and art, etc. But I don't see how money and industry could work. If it got to the point where there's enough food and goods and toys for everyone, but no one could work to earn enough money to buy anything then there would have to be some distribution system and I don't see how any form of capitalism could work. I honestly don't see such a transition happening, but if it did it would be very messy, with the unemployment rates and poverty steadily rising until the shit hits the fan.

In other words, I didn't vote in your poll.
#9
Quote by GreenDay82
Shit no, we have enough lazy bums in the world sitting around on their computer screens being fat and can't move.

We need more productive human beings that will actually work in life.

All these insignificant people are such a waste of molecules and space.

It would be best to get rid of them.


Get a load of this newb.
#11
Quote by GreenDay82
Here's a perfect example.

Yes, you are a perfect example of the kind of person the world would be better without.
#12
Quote by ErikLensherr
because if every job's done by a machine, what are we supposed to do all day.
Jack it.

And watch anime and play video games and listen to music and stuff.
And by music I mean all the EDM the machines will make for us so we don't have to.
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You lost me at "Lubricate."

I'm raw, like nature. Nature boy. Big jungle leaves are my cum rags.

Sometimes I fuck a bamboo shoot.


There's nothing left here to be saved
Just barreling dogs and barking trains
Another year lost to the blue line
Last edited by Joshua Garcia at Dec 16, 2015,
#13
Quote by GreenDay82 at #33732208
Shit no, we have enough lazy bums in the world sitting around on their computer screens being fat and can't move.

We need more productive human beings that will actually work in life.

All these insignificant people are such a waste of molecules and space.

It would be best to get rid of them.

This guy fucks.
Quote by jakesmellspoo
ooh look at me i'm ERIKLENSHERR and i work at fancy pants desk jobs and wear ties and ply barely legal girls with weed and booze i'm such a classy motherfucker.
#14
Quote by GreenDay82
Here's a perfect example.


This nigga a OG
SANDBLAST YOURSELF.


Quote by i_lovemetallica
If you think Gollum was sober with his whole "Gollum/Smeagol" thing and thinking he was invisible with the ring, then you need to remove the cotton wool from your eyes.

Wake up sheeple.

Sunaj
#15
Quote by slapsymcdougal
Yes, you are a perfect example of the kind of person the world would be better without.


Cool story bro, I enjoy reading your fictional short stories.

But I'm afraid you have to open your eyes to reality and face the cold, hard truth.

The fact is, I am better than you, and you are Irrelevant.

I don't like being mean unless I have to.

So I'll try to be nicer, If you'll try to be smarter.
#16
it will get worse before it gets better but in the end I have a vision of a much more just society once the awful transition is over.
#17
Quote by GreenDay82
Here's a perfect example.

Hey, if you're insulting guizar you're insulting me!

pls stop insulting me
#18
Quote by GreenDay82
Cool story bro, I enjoy reading your fictional short stories.

But I'm afraid you have to open your eyes to reality and face the cold, hard truth.

The fact is, I am better than you, and you are Irrelevant.

I don't like being mean unless I have to.

So I'll try to be nicer, If you'll try to be smarter.
Wow. Didn't take long to fill for k.laind, did it?

Of course, if you're serious, get real.

I'm fat and sit in front of a computer screen all day and hardly move. I used to not have a job too.

But during that time I also helped specific people learn specific songs by tabbing them out. It's something no one would throw a dollar at, but I like to think that in some way, helping out another person is being productive while being fat and sitting in front of a computer screen all day and hardly moving.

Productive or not, you don't need a job to make people happy. And that's really the only thing every single job on Earth tries to do (except for jobs like policemen and tow trucks).
Quote by snipelfritz
You lost me at "Lubricate."

I'm raw, like nature. Nature boy. Big jungle leaves are my cum rags.

Sometimes I fuck a bamboo shoot.


There's nothing left here to be saved
Just barreling dogs and barking trains
Another year lost to the blue line
Last edited by Joshua Garcia at Dec 16, 2015,
#19
Quote by GreenDay82
Cool story bro, I enjoy reading your fictional short stories.

But I'm afraid you have to open your eyes to reality and face the cold, hard truth.

The fact is, I am better than you, and you are Irrelevant.

I don't like being mean unless I have to.

So I'll try to be nicer, If you'll try to be smarter.
It's all a point of view. You're just the thing that made your mum's cunt slack enough to fit my giant cock.
#20
I am quite confident that there will always be jobs that either can't be automated or that we as a society refuse to automate.
You who build these altars now

To sacrifice these children
You must not do it anymore
#21
If 95% of jobs could be automated, that might leave room for self enlightenment and other phrases I dread to utter in their cornyness. It's a long-held theory that total automation of the means of production would essentially end wage labour and eventually lead to a classless society. In practice I don't think that would be the case.

And on the other hand, I'm a pretty firm believer in suffering being a very significant element to mental/emotional development to some degree (as well as conflict), and in a society where most of it is all machinery, well, I do wonder if that sort of thing could really happen.

I mean it's not exactly gounna look like this
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#22
I think automation will continue for as long as it's economically viable, and there's a demand for machine-made goods and services.
Maybe at some point we'll strike a balance once we realise we don't need more shit to be made.

Regarding suffering for emotional development:
We already use machines to reduce work, and have been doing so for centuries. I'm sure someone who worked on a farm just a few generations ago would think everyone today is spoiled and has it too easy. Our expectations will adjust to fit the world we live in, and that's normal.
#23
the "spacers" in asimovs robot novels were like this, their robots did everything. everyone basically just had sex parties, made art and chilled in their boredom.
O.K.

“There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want.”
~ Bill Watterson


O__o
#24
Of course, as long as it's accompanied by the correct political evolution. There's always going to be work for humans to do. Would be nice if we could reach the point where everyone was on the dole and not impoverished and those who want to not waste their lives would spend their time doing favours for mates, scientific research, art etc. The rest would form some sort of subclass, become either extremely obese or violent, probably wipe themselves out, hey presto human dregs are all gone.
Last edited by korinaflyingv at Dec 16, 2015,
#25
Quote by theguitarist
the "spacers" in asimovs robot novels were like this, their robots did everything. everyone basically just had sex parties, made art and chilled in their boredom.

Except the Solarians.

They were like the weebs of Asimov's universe.
#26
I'm ready to embrace the machine, just automate everything, shove SOMA in my face, and let the orgies begin.

Everyone go read brave new world, it's a literary masterpiece, but personally I found it to be a bit thick in places and overall mediocre as entertainment. It's about humans evolving beyond the need to work or reproduce, we just take drugs and fuck for fun. Read it.
When's the last time you read a meaningful book?

http://www.audible.com/pd/Classics/Brave-New-World-Audiobook/B002V1BVK4

With a 30 day trial to audible you can have micheal york read it to you for free.
Last edited by stratkat at Dec 16, 2015,
#27
I'd fucking hate to live in a world where everyone has an artistic endeavor. People are already too bought into their own bullshit as it is. Some people in this world are meant to stamp license plates, and I'm damn happy that person is around, I hope they're happy.
OBEY THE MIGHTY SHITKICKER
Last edited by JustRooster at Dec 16, 2015,
#28
Quote by JustRooster
I'd fucking hate to live in a world where everyone has an artistic endeavor. People are already too bought into their own bullshit as it is. Some people in this world are meant to stamp license plates, and I'm damn happy that person is around, I hope they're happy.

If you'd read brave new world you'd know with automation and lack of human sorrow and toil, comes a complete lack of the creation or understanding of art.
#29
I haven't, but I enjoy that premise. I subscribe to the idea that culture comes from struggle.
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#30
It's actually one of the centric themes in the book, art, culture, and free thought, individualism, etc.

Humans have more or less become cattle just perpetuating a pointless cycle, and if that depresses them, or you get bored of constant orgies, there's a new future drugs to take the pain away, all the bad thoughts, and you can just waste away in bed drugged out of your gourd.

It truly is the ideal future.
Last edited by stratkat at Dec 16, 2015,
#32
Quote by stratkat
If you'd read brave new world you'd know with automation and lack of human sorrow and toil, comes a complete lack of the creation or understanding of art.

Why would you assume not working would rid us of sorrow and toil? The actual work at my job is fine, it's the people that make it a struggle. And people aren't going to stop being cunts just because they don't have to work to survive.
#33
Quote by ultimate-slash
I'd imagine boredom on a societal scale to be quite a struggle

Yea, but a struggle to change channels to where the tits videos were, instead of the "reaction to 'reaction to tits video' video".
#34
Quote by JustRooster at #33732448
I'd fucking hate to live in a world where everyone has an artistic endeavor. People are already too bought into their own bullshit as it is. Some people in this world are meant to stamp license plates, and I'm damn happy that person is around, I hope they're happy.

Right, people pushing their "art" is bad enough as it is now. What's it gonna be like when everyone's an artist because that's all there is to do.

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#35
Quote by korinaflyingv
Why would you assume not working would rid us of sorrow and toil? The actual work at my job is fine, it's the people that make it a struggle. And people aren't going to stop being cunts just because they don't have to work to survive.

It's a step towards automation, eliminating the need for traditional families, no one needs someone to bring home the bread when the machines deliver the bread.

It leads towards dystopia, there's no vision of an automated future that's a perfect paradise sure, in Brave New World the slight bit of individualism the main protagonist shows is attributed to alcohol getting in his artificial womb or some shit, which is just hear say people speak behind his back. So yes, people are still cunts to each other, even in utopia and orgy land.

In nearly every great scifi story art is near non-existent in these futures.
A perfect future would make for a boring narrative, but fiction is the only thing I have for reference.
Last edited by stratkat at Dec 16, 2015,
#36
Quote by ultimate-slash
I'd imagine boredom on a societal scale to be quite a struggle


A really cringey one. This is why only white suburban kids are otherkin and bronies.
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#37
Quote by slapsymcdougal
Except the Solarians.

They were like the weebs of Asimov's universe.



yeah I meant they were ones really bored all the time.


all the other spacers just banged and stuff.
O.K.

“There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want.”
~ Bill Watterson


O__o
#38
Quote by JustRooster
A really cringey one. This is why only white suburban kids are otherkin and bronies.

To be fair, just the presence of them can be quite a struggle for everyone else.
#39
Quote by stratkat
It's a step towards automation, eliminating the need for traditional families, no one needs someone to bring home the bread when the machines deliver the bread.

It leads towards dystopia, there's no vision of an automated future that's a perfect paradise. It'd make for a boring narrative, but I can't imagine it anyway.

In nearly every great scifi story art is near non-existent in these futures.

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. Your last post seemed to suggest there would be no sorrow or toil, now you're saying it would be dystopia. Which is it? I mean I don't even agree with your idea that without sorrow and toil there would be no art. My art was better when I was more carefree. And I'm fine with a boring narrative. The world at large has a pretty boring narrative as it is, as does pretty much everyone's individual lives. It's just life, it doesn't need to be some marvellously interesting story.

Well I hope the great scifi stories are wrong then? They're only stories. You shouldn't treat artists like some sort of prophet. Of course they're going to say there's no art in a dystopia, that's probably the worst thing they could imagine as artists.
#40
Quote by JustRooster
I'd fucking hate to live in a world where everyone has an artistic endeavor. People are already too bought into their own bullshit as it is. Some people in this world are meant to stamp license plates, and I'm damn happy that person is around, I hope they're happy.


easy to say when you're not one of those people
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