#1
I strongly believe the Black Album was designed by a gay rattlesnake.

I consider the black album an abomination. An absolutely disgusting piece of pop filth with the right amount of distortion to be considered a metallica album, designed with the purpose of recruiting an army of new customers worldwide to fund Lars' failing drum lessons. Granted there are maybe 1 or 2 'OK' songs but as a whole it looks like metallica was scraping the end of the barrel for a riff or note progression that sounds slightly heavy and sprinkle it upon a giant shitcake of mainstream capitalist filth. This is the album that maliciously murdered their Thrash side and turned them into what they first set out to avoid being. Metal posers.

Ironically it's their best selling album but only because their last 4 albums like a single mom raising hundreds of angst troubled kids did all the work and carried their name to the mainstream. They could've tattooed their name to a rotting hobo's ass and call it their 5th album, millions of people would still pay to see it. And that's just what they did, at the height of their financial success they released a 'groundbreaking' album designed by a gay rattlesnake and painted it black to make it look metal.

I still respect the dudes for their past work but I can't understand everyone that thinks this is one of their best. So much musicianship and great playing is found in KEA, RTL, MOP, AJFA which sealed their status as metal pioneers, then you come across sludgy fucking 90bpms songs, sad but true. The slowest poppiest tunes in metal history coming from this album separates their success from 2 groups of fans: Those that liked Metallica before the album, to fans that like Metallica after the album.

This is just my ranting opinion though let me know your thoughts.
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#3
I think it was their last good album, compared to shit like kill em all or ride the lightning it sucked.
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#4
I think your a close minded musician who is angry at life and is probably depressed, and you probably only listen to loud and angry music. Sure the black album isn't really metal, but its still fucking great music. Its the same reason Nirvana was so great, heavy distorted guitar mixed with catchy pop melodies (at least nevermind was..) If its just angry riffs and blast beats the whole time then the music fucking sucks, sure metal heads like you will like it, but to the vast majority of people the music fucking sucks. I liked the black album as did millions of people, and I also liked all their other albums. But im not gunna be some snob and hate on them for becoming more commercially acceptable. In a way, is is almost more difficult to come up with a collection of songs that appeals to the masses and is catchy enough to stay popular on the radio 20 years later. It's harder to do that than write some metal riffs over blast bleats while screaming and call it music. I like hardcore metal, but fuck your opinion that music like the black album is somehow inferior. Its not.
#5
I agree with you there, arvana. I personally don't mind bands progressing and changing their sound with new albums, so long as they evolve with artistic integrity (ie. in a manner that doesn't see the band turning into bastardised commercial shite). However, with the Black Album, Metallica blatantly sold out and bastardised their sound (ie. evolving without artistic integrity), so I don't care much for it either.
#6
I cannot believe we are still talking about this album. Its been about 25 years now and people are still popping veins over this.
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If its just angry riffs and blast beats the whole time then the music fucking sucks, sure metal heads like you will like it, but to the vast majority of people the music fucking sucks. I liked the black album as did millions of people, and I also liked all their other albums. But im not gunna be some snob and hate on them for becoming more commercially acceptable. In a way, is is almost more difficult to come up with a collection of songs that appeals to the masses and is catchy enough to stay popular on the radio 20 years later. It's harder to do that than write some metal riffs over blast bleats while screaming and call it music. I like hardcore metal, but fuck your opinion that music like the black album is somehow inferior. Its not.


We have a winner! I was waiting for the keyboard warrior to make an appearance. I'm not going to judge your opinion because it's your opinion and you have a right to say it, but most of what you've written only demonstrates the pain in your butt hole my bbc post's humpin has given you. Poor boy you must've been terrified.

You're the people I referred to as those who like metallica after the black album. You say you like all their stuff but hate angry riffs and blast beats; since when is Kill Em All, Ride the lightning and Master of Puppets not angry riffs and blast beats? The only reason people like you get to sit down and listen to the gay rattlesnake album is because people like me liked their angry riffs and blast beats which brought about their success. I'm just angry at how their attitude about success changed and of their 'betrayal' to their thrash fans. I'm talking about the band not the genre, you just disagree with my view of the music of the black album when I'm trying to bring to light the conspiracy behind the gay rattlesnake that wrote this album.

People can like it along with their other stuff fine no problem good for you, I'm not gonna say f your opinion you're wrong I'm right. Just don't go typing butt hurt insults over the internet when you wouldn't have the cohones to say it in person.
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#8
Oh. So we're doing this again? The thing with opinions and facts and Metallica and all that jazz? Should I send a PM to Mustaine and Newsted see what their thoughts are? How about the guy down the street? Maybe he'd like to weigh in on at what exact point that Metallica sold out?

Arvana, you special little snowflake, what with your oh-so-fucking-original opinion of Metallica, and your heroic crusade to shed light upon all the false and unworthy beasts that listen to the godawful racket of music that's sort of similar to other music you like. Shame on the peasants and their uncultured ears... they are swine!

Semi-successful troll? Probably. The conspiracy of a gay snake? Cmon. But i Can't quite tell if you're high, a troll, or just plain fucking ******ed.


Edit : TIL that mentally handicapped is more offensive than Fuck.
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#9
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I cannot believe we are still talking about this album. Its been about 25 years now and people are still popping veins over this.


Agreed. People need to just get a life and listen to what they like and stfu.

I was 11 or 12 when the Black album came out. I had heard of Metallica but had never really checked them out until then. After getting that album, I quickly needed MORE and ended up buying all of their previous albums. So while I now vastly prefer all of their pre-Bob Rock material and recognize its compositional superiority, the Black album was a gateway drug for me and I may have never discovered metal without it.

That, and Metallica still kicks ASS live and can nail all their old material. Show some respect.
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#10
I like how you still take the time to let everyone know how dearly offended by a post on the internet guitgrinder, I am brought to tears. I haven't cried this much since bubba died in forrest gump.

KailM you make a good point Master of Pupps and Enter Sandman was my first introduction to Metallica so I agree with you on how it opened up their first 4 albums to me which I used listen to religiously, sadly though I haven't checked out to the rest of the black album till recently which explains why I'm currently so flabbergasted by the amount of praise and respect people have been giving it.
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#11
mmm just like old times. don't ever change, metal forum.
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#12
Arvarna is dramatic and corny lol chill bro
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giant shitcake of mainstream capitalist filth.


What a betrayal of heavy metal's socialist roots.
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#15
Metallica reminds me of Kerry King, still trying to be relevant even though they should just give up and stick to being lame.

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#16
IMO they just lost the ability to write like the first 4 albums after AJFA.

I think they realised that too, but they also realised they could become much huger if they were willing to piss a bunch of hardcore fans off. Thus they released Metallica and the are one of the hugest metal bands in the world. It's sad, but at the end of the day, money has always been top priority.

Compare Megadeth's success with Metallica and you'll see why Metallica stuck with the Black Album formula. Looking at Metallica's success, Dave tried Risk, Cryptic Writings, TWNAH etc. but they just couldn't open up to mainstream public (probably Dave's voice).

I have no doubt in my mind that Megadeth is a better band than Metallica but the difference in popularity between the two bands is overwhelming.
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What a betrayal of heavy metal's socialist roots.

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I like how you still take the time to let everyone know how dearly offended by a post on the internet guitgrinder, I am brought to tears. I haven't cried this much since bubba died in forrest gump.


So you're not just trolling? You actually believe all that shit you typed?

And weren't you the one who wrote the whole damn thing and then asked for other's thoughts on the subject? That's what I did... gave you my opinion on your opinion. I wasn't offended by your opinion though, I just thought it was dumb. I used to think there was nothing new to be said about Metallica, that every opinion that could be voiced has been voiced at some point... but "designed by a gay rattlesnake" is definitely a first (and hopefully last.)

I'm still not 100% sure you're not just trolling. Is "The Black Album sucks" really all that controversial of an opinion? Is it not pretty well known that most people think 83-89 was the band's golden years? Kicking a dead horse pleases you?
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So you're not just trolling? You actually believe all that shit you typed?

And weren't you the one who wrote the whole damn thing and then asked for other's thoughts on the subject? That's what I did... gave you my opinion on your opinion. I wasn't offended by your opinion though, I just thought it was dumb. I used to think there was nothing new to be said about Metallica, that every opinion that could be voiced has been voiced at some point... but "designed by a gay rattlesnake" is definitely a first (and hopefully last.)

I'm still not 100% sure you're not just trolling. Is "The Black Album sucks" really all that controversial of an opinion? Is it not pretty well known that most people think 83-89 was the band's golden years? Kicking a dead horse pleases you?


Dude has a point. You sound like some dude who's band released a demo in the exact same year as The Black Album, which got trampled (or tread) on by the gay rattlesnake. The band was never heard from since.

If you're going to hate, there's plenty of material out there in the world that's got WAY more attention and credit than it deserves.

I'm 90% sure this started of as a troll, but OP seems to have forgotten that.
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So you're not just trolling? You actually believe all that shit you typed?

And weren't you the one who wrote the whole damn thing and then asked for other's thoughts on the subject? That's what I did... gave you my opinion on your opinion. I wasn't offended by your opinion though, I just thought it was dumb. I used to think there was nothing new to be said about Metallica, that every opinion that could be voiced has been voiced at some point... but "designed by a gay rattlesnake" is definitely a first (and hopefully last.)

I'm still not 100% sure you're not just trolling. Is "The Black Album sucks" really all that controversial of an opinion? Is it not pretty well known that most people think 83-89 was the band's golden years? Kicking a dead horse pleases you?


I was actually asking for your opinion on the Black Album not for a bunch of rhetorical questions and insults. You seem to be asking a lot of rhetorical questions which makes it kind of hard to decipher any opinion you speak of giving, you're not really answering my question. All I see is angry keyboard warrior raging, no thoughts on the subject. If it really doesn't matter, why even bother replying?

I don't get why people are getting mad at me for going against the black album. Get real, this is an internet forum. I'm not going to each one of you personally to lay down some insults, which is what this post's been generating. Some of you take it way too personally for no reason. I was actually looking for opinion based counter arguments to make me think there's more to the black album, instead some of you got angry and turned it into a troll back and forth insult post because you were oh so offended. I hate to repeat myself on this but there is so much butt hurt that wasn't directed towards anyone individually. It's as if some of you 'accidentally' fell exit-hole first into an opinion that just happened to be sticking out. Just relax and don't bother replying if you're tired of posts like this, you're just keeping it active for discussion.
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#22
You talk about "betrayal of fans" or something like that... Well, I don't know. Metallica's motto has pretty much always been that they do whatever they want to do. So that shouldn't really matter. They felt like changing their style. Whatever. They don't care about your opinion. They released Lulu and didn't care about anybody's opinion either (I'm sure they knew everybody's going to hate it). They released it for themselves. When they released Loads, they knew their old fans are going to be disappointed. But releasing stuff "just for the fans" has always been against their ideology.

As people have said, most people prefer their first four albums over everything else. I do as well. But it's their music, I think they are allowed to do whatever they want with it. If they don't feel like writing prog thrash stuff any more, they don't have to. I appreciate them for being able to change their style. There are many bands that end up repeating themselves. They stay the same for 30 years. Well, for some bands it is the only way - for example I couldn't imagine AC/DC doing something else than what they have always done. But Metallica has always done something new on their albums.


People have a problem with your opinion because you talk about stuff like "gay rattlesnake conspiracy" that makes you seem like an obvious troll (well, just bringing up this whole topic kind of makes it seem like a troll). That's why they insult you because they don't take you seriously. You call others "butthurt", but maybe you should look in the mirror. Maybe you are the butthurt one here... "Oh, Metallica did something I don't like. They betrayed the real fans." And I'm not trying to insult you or anything so don't take it that way.


Now, criticizing an album is fine. Stating your opinion is fine. You don't like it, whatever. Some people agree with you, some people disagree. But in the end, what is it going to achieve? I don't even know why I'm writing this reply.


The problem here is this - I don't think the discussion is constructive. You can discuss about the quality of music on Black Album constructively, but that's not what's happening in this thread at all. It's a troll thread, even if that wasn't your intention.


My opinion of Black Album? Not really a fan. I don't think the songs are bad but few of them are IMO great songs when compared to the first 4 albums. I think it has good sounds, though. I much prefer Metallica's 90s sound to today, and I think one could argue that the sound quality of their studio albums was best in the 90s.
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#23
Metallica, aka the black album, is a great album.

To all those who accuse Metallica of "selling out" - YOU couldn't do it. You wouldn't have the talent to make catchy riffs. Maybe you can downpick fast, maybe you can growl and shout, but you couldn't write a decent song to save your granny's worthless life. You are clueless about Metallica, about metal, and about music.

By inventing and leading the thrash metal movement, Metallica were the first to see its limitations: speed, anger, death. They realised that Diamondhead and Motorhead were not their only influences. They remembered that stuff that grooved could also be cool.
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To all those who accuse Metallica of "selling out" - YOU couldn't do it. You wouldn't have the talent to make catchy riffs. Maybe you can downpick fast, maybe you can growl and shout, but you couldn't write a decent song to save your granny's worthless life.

I don't like this argument. By the same logic you shouldn't criticize any music because you couldn't write as catchy song/don't have as good voice as Justin Bieber or whatever. I can have an opinion on music or food or movies or whatever even if I couldn't do it better, and it is not a worthless opinion. I know what good food tastes like. I don't need to be able to cook to tell if something tastes good or bad.

I do agree, though - writing catchy stuff is definitely not easy. If it was, everybody would be writing hits all the time.

I'm also tired of these "sellout" arguments. As I said in my first reply, Metallica has always said they do whatever they want and don't care about other people's opinions. So if they feel like changing their style, they do it. They don't keep writing the same style just for the fans. If anything, that would be what I would consider selling out - you do something against your will just to sell as much records as possible, just to keep your fans happy.
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#25
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I was actually asking for your opinion on the Black Album...



Your goal of this thread was simply to get other people's opinions about the Black Album? And you thought hurling all kinds of insults was going to get you that? Maybe you need to get real.

But fine. Since you asked, and I'm a huge fan of the band, I'll give you my opinion. WARNING!!! LONG POST!!! I PUT WAY TOO MUCH TIME INTO THIS!!!!

I try to avoid thinking about all the things that happened after the release of the record, before it got overplayed. Try to look at it as if I was hearing it fully mixed & mastered. Like if Bob & the boys forgot to lock the door to the studio and I found "the next Metallica album."

Enter Sandman...
hmm... kinda of a cool little clean part... not that different from FFWF or Battery, even if it's a clean electric instead of acoustic. OH SHIT! Here comes the riff and and damn I can fuckin FEEL the bass!!! Wow! This sounds incredible!! WAAAY fuckin heavy... not as fast as I'm used to for a lead off track, but man it sounds incredible! Good groove, I'm headbangin & singin along to the chorus. Another brilliant Kirk Hammet solo? check. These lyrics are pretty cool too... dragons and beasts are pretty metal. Kinda creepy with that prayer in there too. It's definitely a little different than Justice, but fuck this is heavy! Neat little "mini-solos" in the outro too!

Oh damn! I thought that last song was heavy... this song fucking CRUSHES!!! Again, that fucking bass... hits me in the fucking chest! They really let Jason do his thing this time! Lars drums sound great too! I like how he's playing a beat to support the riffs and not just playing drum beats that match the guitars rhythm. Again, pretty cool lyrics by James... I think this might be the slowest Metallica song yet, but it's heaviness more than makes up for it... almost reminds of Sabbath in a way. I can already say this is one of the best sounding records out there right now! Motley Crue is gonna shit themselves! None of those glam rockers on MTV could come close to this shit! Metallica are the fucking Kings of Metal, and they're proving it right now!

As the album progresses you can hear that James really worked on his singing. It's first noticeable on The Unforgiven. Cool to hear the acoustics interwoven with the songs, as opposed to how they used to sort of separate acoustic parts from electric. And then here comes Kirk fucking Hammet proving why he's one of the premier lead guitarists of this generation. He obviously put a lot of thought into constructing these solos. The melodies are like they are their own little songs within the song.

This eastern-sounding intro to Wherever I May Roam is really cool too... never heard Metallica do that kinda shit. And that "CRACK!!" sound!!! How the fuck did they do that? "Anywhere I Roam, where I lay my head is home" Man, it must be so cool to go on tour, see the world, playing awesome music. Fuck yeah, James.

At this point it's kinda obvious the songs are a lot slower than Justice, but they just sound so heavy! And Sabbath never really played fast either, they were all about heavy, so it's kinda like Metallica taking a cue from Sabbath... these songs just groove!

Don't Tread On Me is kinda weird... I recognize that beginning riff, but not sure where.... (West Side Story) and these "patriotic" lyrics are kinda different than Justice... eh, this song is OK I guess... this might be the first Metallica song I don't like that much... that's kinda lame...

Through the Never is a little more up-tempo than the other songs, so it's cool to hear them pick up some speed here... nice production technique when the lyrics pan the L & R speakers. Better than the last song, though.

Nothing Else Matters... another acoustic song? Huh. They definitely added a lot more acoustic to this album... but it's cool in a way... chicks will like this! Never thought a Metallica song might get me laid! Haha!

Oh hell yeah! Of Wolf & Man is sick! That riff is badass... kinda evil sounding, too! Fuck yeah, this album rules! I still can't get over how fucking good this record sounds! More Kirk Hammett magic... and the bridge near the end of the song... I can almost see James transforming into a wolf! That's metal as fuck!

God That Failed starts out with another cool sounding bass part. Again, James delivers the goods with some really cool lyrics... kinda like Leper Messiah pt 2.

My Friend of Misery starting out with another really cool bass thing... probably the best bassline I've heard Jason play. Kinda seems like it might be the instrumental... oh wait nevermind, there's lyrics. Damn James sounds pissed! FOLLOW THE GOD THAT FAIIIIIILLLLEDDD!!!! Fuck yeah!

The Struggle Within is kind of a cool song... not their best, not even the best song on the album, but it's fast and angry sounding, kinda how Dyer's Eve was, but not as cool.

Fuck man... I don't know... they definitely softened up a bit on some parts, but there are some parts that are way heavier than anything they've done before, and the production definitely sounds way better than Justice, especially the bass! There are like, 2 or 3 songs that are kind of whatever, but this album has more songs than the other albums... and it's not like the songs suck, they're just not as good as the other songs on the CD. Maybe they should've just done 8 or 9 songs like usual... I would definitely leave off Don't Tread On Me, and Holier Than Thou could probably go too... if they left off those two songs and maybe Struggle Within, this would defintely be the best Metallica album, for sure.
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IKR!? Everybody's fav argument- "you couldn't do it so shut up". Well, our music doesn't have world-wide recognition and fans, nor are we excessively rich because of it, OBVIOUSLY we will expect it to have higher standards than our own. Shitheads.

You know that awkward part in an argument when your opponent makes the crappiest analogy in the world to prove his point and makes that smug face? Reminds me of that.

@guitgrinder

Bro you have issues... so do I for reading that entire thing...

BTW, you have to admit, Kirk's wah-splattered solo in Enter Sandman sounds like a whining 7 year old kid towards the end.
#27
No doubt I reckon it's their best album when it comes to sound quality and mixing. And they had me at the intro with the opening riff and drums in 'Enter Sandman' which is what got me into metal, I had the exact same thought process as the heavy distortion and bass and drum parts started joining in.

What really squeezed my balls was when it got to Sad but True, which in retrospect yes has a heavy rift and all , but when you got to the chorus it just sounded poppy to me, kind of making me feel like they were going for the easy radio cash grab popularity.

Yeah I was being a little harsh and most of the stuff I said was exaggerated, it's not like I have eternal hatred on the black album. i just get pissed and feel left out when my friends put it on and get enjoyment out of it. it's still a good album by all means, just not the metallica i had in mind. but yeah thanks for your long reply i actually enjoyed reading that
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#28
Why does it have to be a gay rattlesnake and not just a regular one? Gay rattlesnakes probably have a better sense of aesthetics.