#1
I guess a photography forum would probably yield better answers. But yeah I need a better camera. I have been using my computer's webcam for videos and my flip phone for pictures, so the quality I have had to use is awful. For music gear demos (mostly pedals). Having a decent built-in mic is a plus but not a deal breaker. My primary concern is video quality.

So any suggestions? What do you you use?
Last edited by Will Lane at Jan 18, 2016,
#2
What's the camera for though?

Like I need my Gopro for car and sports stuff but not for simple stuff like a lets play.
#4
smartphone (lol@flip phone)

do you have external mics or are you looking for a good camera+mic combo
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smartphone (lol@flip phone)

do you have external mics or are you looking for a good camera+mic combo
A built-in mic is not a requirement at all. If it has one that is a plus.
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#6
Never, ever use a built in mic if you are even the tiniest bit serious about audio quality.
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#7
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Never, ever use a built in mic if you are even the tiniest bit serious about audio quality.
For voice I do not care too much unless the room is really bad/the internal mic is bad. For the actual product sound, external mics + interface alllll day.

I guess I should have stated that my primary concern is video quality.
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#8
No. You're not allowed to use an internal mic ever unless you are using your phone.
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#10
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Music gear demos (pedals primarily).

Also, having a decent built-in mic is a plus but not a deal breaker.


Smartphone w external mic. You can probably find a decent used one with a decent demo vid camera for $50.
#13
> Entry level camera
> Decent built-in microphone

Pick one. If you want your audio quality to not be shit, you'll have to spend money out the ass. It's for this reason I bought an interface, microphone, and a DSLR separately. Never actually published any videos, but... yeah.
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#14
1. Budget?
2. Do you want a camera that's capable of good stills too?
3. How important is the ability to upgrade/change the camera's lens?
4. Is the ability to set it to 24 frames per second or 60 frames per second important to you, or are you okay with just the standard 30 frames on most consumer cameras?
5. Do you want 4K?
6. Can I get an example of the kinds of videos you'd need it for?

Recently bought myself a camera, and I bought it as much for video as I did for stills, so feel like I have a pretty good idea of the consumer camera market right now and can give some decent recommendations.

Also look at Best Buy. The open box period is pretty much over right now, but if you look around, then they may have an open box deal where someone got a camera for Christmas, didn't want it, returned it, and you can get a basically-new camera for hundreds off. Got mine for basically 50% off with that.
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> Entry level camera
> Decent built-in microphone

Pick one.
If you want your audio quality to not be shit, you'll have to spend money out the ass. It's for this reason I bought an interface, microphone, and a DSLR separately. Never actually published any videos, but... yeah.
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I guess a photography forum would probably yield better answers. But yeah I need a better camera. I have been using my computer's webcam for videos and my flip phone for pictures, so the quality I have had to use is awful. For music gear demos (mostly pedals). Having a decent built-in mic is a plus but not a deal breaker. My primary concern is video quality.

So any suggestions? What do you you use?
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A built-in mic is not a requirement at all. If it has one that is a plus.

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1. Budget?
2. Do you want a camera that's capable of good stills too?
3. How important is the ability to upgrade/change the camera's lens?
4. Is the ability to set it to 24 frames per second or 60 frames per second important to you, or are you okay with just the standard 30 frames on most consumer cameras?
5. Do you want 4K?
6. Can I get an example of the kinds of videos you'd need it for?

Recently bought myself a camera, and I bought it as much for video as I did for stills, so feel like I have a pretty good idea of the consumer camera market right now and can give some decent recommendations.

Also look at Best Buy. The open box period is pretty much over right now, but if you look around, then they may have an open box deal where someone got a camera for Christmas, didn't want it, returned it, and you can get a basically-new camera for hundreds off. Got mine for basically 50% off with that.
1. I really do not know where my budget should be which is why I just stated "Entry-Level". $100-$150 would be something like what I was expecting. 2. Yes. 3. Not very important. 4. 30 frames. 5. No, but I need something beyond potato quality. 6.

Also I know lighting is a thing too. Just asking about the camera for now.
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#16
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1. I really do not know where my budget should be which is why I just stated "Entry-Level". $100-$150 would be something like what I was expecting. 2. Yes. 3. Not very important. 4. 30 frames. 5. No, but I need something beyond potato quality. 6.

Also I know lighting is a thing too. Just asking about the camera for now.


Sadly, $150 is not anywhere near what you're going to be looking at for a decent camera, especially since you want it to take good stills too, so camcorders are out of the equation. $300 is about the baseline here, and even then I'd try and stretch to at least four or five, especially if you want a built-in mic that isn't balls. It's a much higher pricepoint, but think of it this way, you can spend $150 on a camera that'll last maybe a year and a half before you outgrow it or it breaks, or you can spend $450 on a camera that will do what you need for at least four or five years, give higher quality results, and once you outgrow it, it'll still be working fine and dandy for the entire lifetime.

Two more questions:

1. Are you willing to buy used?
2. How important is the video resolution? Are 720p and 1080i acceptable, or is 1080p a must?
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#18
why don't you just get a cheap GoPro?

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#20
1. Your phone
2. USB extension cord with attachment to
3. Boom operator


Import the output to your preferred software (Cubase SX3, movie_freeware.w/e, etc)
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#21
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1. Yes. 2. 720p is fine, but I do not think I will pay $300+ for 720p. I'd rather deal with an Iphone at that point.


$150 - http://www.adorama.com/ISODSCW800BA.html

This is a cheap and simple option. It'll shoot decent enough video, get decent enough photos, and because Sony's bringing out new models in a month or two, it's pretty damn cheap. You'll outgrow the quality pretty quickly though, and the interface is pretty limited and annoying to navigate. Definitely the best bang-for-buck you'll find, but at that buck, the bang is still pretty small.

$300 - http://www.adorama.com/ICASX710BA.html
http://www.adorama.com/ISOWX350BA.html

These are both pretty good cameras that'll do a decent job on video. They're a bit limited, but any point-and-shoot is going to be. The Canon's sensor is higher resolution and will get nicer stills, but Sony does better video.

Used:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/801313603-USE/sony_nex5nk_b_alpha_nex_5n_digital_camera.html

The NEX 5 used to be Sony's middleground between its consumer cameras and its professional cameras. Yeah it's a bit more than $300 at $320, but in exchange for that $20, you'll get higher quality everything, more versatility, and enough functionality for it to grow with you more than the point-and-shoot cameras.

$500 - http://www.adorama.com/ISOA5000BA.html
http://www.adorama.com/ICASL1K1A.html

The A5000 is basically a next-gen NEX 5. Take everything I said about that camera, apply it to a new camera, and then give it a few years technological progress added in. The SL1 is basically a T5i in a smaller body. That will do everything you need it to do, though again, Canon is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, Samsung, et. al. in video quality. You'll get good results, but the other brands will be better at it.

Used:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/801321697-USE/sony_nex7k_b_alpha_nex_7_digital_camera.html

The NEX-7 was either Sony's top-of-the-line consumer camera, or their bottom-end pro camera, depending on who you ask. $410 is a steal for it, especially if it's in as good condition as they say.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/801316213-USE/samsung_ev_nx500zbmius_nx500_mirrorless_digital_camera.html

I'd actually be kind of wary of this one just because it seems too good to be true. The NX500 is a great camera, and normally costs around seven or eight hundred new. I'd call just to double-check everything, but if it's okay, then it's an amazing deal. $450 will get you a camera that can shoot 1080p at any framerate you want, 4K, and good stills. It's not perfect - its low-light performance isn't the best, while it does have 4K, it's fairly low-quality as far as 4K goes, its 1080p isn't as good as what Sony would give you, and it records in h.265, which can be a pain to process if you do any editing - but it's a very good camera, especially for $450.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/801316211-USE/sony_ilce5100l_b_alpha_a5100_mirrorless_digital.html

My camera is the A6000, which is basically the A5100 with a viewfinder and a few other more professional things, so I can speak from experience that this will do everything you need it to. Great photo quality, great video quality, it can grow with you, and while they won't beat dedicated mics, the internal mics on it are solid.

Full disclosure, you may want to some research into Nikon in addition to my recommendations. I hate their interfaces so I didn't really research Nikon very thoroughly when I bought my camera, so they may have a good one I missed.
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#22
Quote by necrosis1193
$150 - http://www.adorama.com/ISODSCW800BA.html

This is a cheap and simple option. It'll shoot decent enough video, get decent enough photos, and because Sony's bringing out new models in a month or two, it's pretty damn cheap. You'll outgrow the quality pretty quickly though, and the interface is pretty limited and annoying to navigate. Definitely the best bang-for-buck you'll find, but at that buck, the bang is still pretty small.

$300 - http://www.adorama.com/ICASX710BA.html
http://www.adorama.com/ISOWX350BA.html

These are both pretty good cameras that'll do a decent job on video. They're a bit limited, but any point-and-shoot is going to be. The Canon's sensor is higher resolution and will get nicer stills, but Sony does better video.

Used:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/801313603-USE/sony_nex5nk_b_alpha_nex_5n_digital_camera.html

The NEX 5 used to be Sony's middleground between its consumer cameras and its professional cameras. Yeah it's a bit more than $300 at $320, but in exchange for that $20, you'll get higher quality everything, more versatility, and enough functionality for it to grow with you more than the point-and-shoot cameras.

$500 - http://www.adorama.com/ISOA5000BA.html
http://www.adorama.com/ICASL1K1A.html

The A5000 is basically a next-gen NEX 5. Take everything I said about that camera, apply it to a new camera, and then give it a few years technological progress added in. The SL1 is basically a T5i in a smaller body. That will do everything you need it to do, though again, Canon is lagging behind Sony, Nikon, Samsung, et. al. in video quality. You'll get good results, but the other brands will be better at it.

Used:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/801321697-USE/sony_nex7k_b_alpha_nex_7_digital_camera.html

The NEX-7 was either Sony's top-of-the-line consumer camera, or their bottom-end pro camera, depending on who you ask. $410 is a steal for it, especially if it's in as good condition as they say.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/801316213-USE/samsung_ev_nx500zbmius_nx500_mirrorless_digital_camera.html

I'd actually be kind of wary of this one just because it seems too good to be true. The NX500 is a great camera, and normally costs around seven or eight hundred new. I'd call just to double-check everything, but if it's okay, then it's an amazing deal. $450 will get you a camera that can shoot 1080p at any framerate you want, 4K, and good stills. It's not perfect - its low-light performance isn't the best, while it does have 4K, it's fairly low-quality as far as 4K goes, its 1080p isn't as good as what Sony would give you, and it records in h.265, which can be a pain to process if you do any editing - but it's a very good camera, especially for $450.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/801316211-USE/sony_ilce5100l_b_alpha_a5100_mirrorless_digital.html

My camera is the A6000, which is basically the A5100 with a viewfinder and a few other more professional things, so I can speak from experience that this will do everything you need it to. Great photo quality, great video quality, it can grow with you, and while they won't beat dedicated mics, the internal mics on it are solid.

Full disclosure, you may want to some research into Nikon in addition to my recommendations. I hate their interfaces so I didn't really research Nikon very thoroughly when I bought my camera, so they may have a good one I missed.


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#23
I have the NEX 5. As someone who just points and shot, it is awesome.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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I saw. Basically what I'm saying is you can pretty much forget about having both.

I had more to say but I don't know much about the price range within your budget.
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