#1
Hi all, I am primarily an electric player but do love the sounds of a good acoustic from time to time. I ordered this and it arrived yesterday from fedex. I am unsure about the bridge/body status. I don't see any dipping in front of the bridge but the body does appear to swell ever so slightly behind the bridge. Also of concern is the edges and angle of the bridge. I attached imgur links so y'all can see. The bridge as 'wings' sort that look like the new batman battarang(sp?) that are off the body. I can't see that were was any glue whatsoever in these gaps so unsure if they were left to lift intentionally.

Bottom line is, should I send this baby back or does the bridge/body appear normal for a new guitar. Thanks ya'll!

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#2
Hi, I have never seen anything like this. What brand of guitar is it? I would do some
further research and send it back. Regards
Norman2
Kenny Hill Estudio E640C
#3
DBZ. The same company Dean is having a lawsuit with. This particular model is their CA21EFM number.
#4
`Yes, the bridge is lifting, and the top is way too convex.

The problem could be caused by any or all of the following:

!: Excess humidity

2: green, wet, or too thin wood in the top.

3: Bridge not glued down properly

4: Finish not cured properly before the guitar was put into service

5: Guitar tuned too high, and/or too heavy of a string gauge. < (least likely)

Due to the thinness of the top and string tension, you're pretty much destined to have a hint of a sag in front of the bridge, and a bit of a bow behind it. What you have is way beyond the expected.

I would say you can have a fairly extreme bow in a top, before the bridge begins to separate. In fact, I'm pretty sure a correctly glued bridge is at least in part, responsible for controlling it.
Last edited by Captaincranky at Jan 28, 2016,
#5
Thanks! I had suspected this was far from acceptable. I am going to send the guitar back. I also found some chips, and dings in the neck. The guitar itself sounds pretty good, all things considered. Thanks again.
#6
You're quite welcome..

I know an electric player is apt to gravitate to a brand associated with electric guitars.

Unfortunately, this isn't always the best path to follow.

If this is going to be a outright return, I'd suggest you look at brands better known for acoustics, such as Seagull, Yamaha, Taylor, Guild (Chinese Guild "Westerly" series).

Although it would be above your current budget, The lowest Taylor 1xx line, ("Mexi-Taylors"), might have a sound which appeals to an electric player, plus the virtue of an easily re-settable neck.
#7
I am looking at the other guitars, but while I wait to send it back I am considering giving it another shot with an exchange. I currently have a Takamine GN series guitar which I do like, but wanted something with on board electronics. Been dealing with headaches involving soundhole pickups and wanted more simplicity/flexibility.
#8
I'd never heard of DBZ guitars before reading this post and don't think I want to know anything more about them. Send it back immediately.

Then go and buy something like: Cort, Crafter, Epiphone, LAG, Recording King, Tanglewood, Vintage, Yamaha. The order is alphabetical rather than indicative of relative quality - they all make great guitars. All these brands are available in the UK - I'm not sure about the US so you might have other equally good stuff around.
#9
Yep, sound hole pickups can be quite the PITA.

Fortunately, onboard electronics are available in all the brands I mentioned, and many others, starting at the $300.00 price point.

Keep us updated as to your progress..
#10
Quote by Garthman
I'd never heard of DBZ guitars before reading this post and don't think I want to know anything more about them. Send it back immediately....[ ]....
It's a line from the guy "Dean" who started Dean guitars. That said, it is a primarily electric oriented brand.

Dean Zaleski, I think his name is the marque's initials.
#11
send it back. general cause is that not enough finish was removed under the bridge and they tried to glue down on that finish. or the glue failed, or the area was dirty, or they bollocks'd up the clamping, but usually a glue-up problem. the result is a lift.

-pretty hard to measure top radii with a blurry pic though. volume makers use radii dishes for asm (like i do) and the figure is set. usual radius for tops is 25, 30, and the "newly discovered" 50 ft. i go with either totally flat or 25 myself.

i humbly suggest a better guitar. deans are among the worst acoustics out there.
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#12
Looking at a Washburn WCG18CE Grand auditorium. (Thoughts? And is that a slim body?) No experience with Washburn at all. I am looking at the other options at the place I purchased the guitar from but not settled on anything yet.
Last edited by bass.desires at Jan 28, 2016,
#13
Quote by ad_works


i humbly suggest a better guitar. deans are among the worst acoustics out there.


My Dean Tradition actually plays very well, but doesn't sound so great. It does feel very cheap.
#14
Quote by TobusRex
My Dean Tradition actually plays very well, but doesn't sound so great. It does feel very cheap.


sound like a glowing endorsment
#15
Quote by ad_works
sound like a glowing endorsment


LOL...it gets worse. I'm a guy who raves about my Ephiphone Les Paul Special II (which nearly everybody here reviles).

So I'm a guy who loves cheap guitars, and even then I'm kinda "meh" on the Dean
#16
The Washburn grand auditorium sounds like a good one for you, the sound's a little bright.
#17
A bit of a necro maybe but I always hate having threads that don't really have an ending so...

I ended up with a great Ibanez AW400CE

Sweetwater link

I know she isn't made by an acoustic focused company, but the second I picked her up I loved the tone and the feel. Had nothing but compliments from others on her. I had some buyers remorse on the way home, but when I got home and played her again I was (and still am) very pleased with the guitar.

Very rich tone and sounds great plugged in as well. Feels great in my hands and makes me look good on stage. Maybe a UG review is in order.

I did have a question about the tuner. When I turn the tuner on, there seems to be a 5 second delay (maybe longer) before it actually picks up anything, it just blinks green. I checked the battery and it is fully charged so not sure whats up.
#18
Quote by bass.desires
. . . I ended up with a great Ibanez AW400CE . . . . .

. . . . . I know she isn't made by an acoustic focused company, but the second I picked her up I loved the tone and the feel. . . . . . .


That's really all that matters ^ ^ ^ ^ .

I hope it gives you many years of enjoyment.
#19
Quote by bass.desires
A bit of a necro maybe but I always hate having threads that don't really have an ending so...

I ended up with a great Ibanez AW400CE
I hardly consider finishing off your own thread any kind of "necrobump". It's kind of what you would like more people to do around here...

Quote by bass.desires
I know she isn't made by an acoustic focused company, but the second I picked her up I loved the tone and the feel. Had nothing but compliments from others on her. I had some buyers remorse on the way home, but when I got home and played her again I was (and still am) very pleased with the guitar.
It would appear that Ibanez has smartened up quite a bit with these "Artwood" guitars.

I did follow your link to Sweetwater, and the guitar is lightly built, which is usually indicative of a responsive instrument. The top is solid, another big plus

Quote by bass.desires
Very rich tone and sounds great plugged in as well. Feels great in my hands and makes me look good on stage.
I do believe I mentioned that even awful laminated Ibbys generally sound great when plugged in, I'm sure yours isn't an exception

Quote by bass.desires
Maybe a UG review is in order.
I know the site always appreciates well written input, so why not?

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I did have a question about the tuner. When I turn the tuner on, there seems to be a 5 second delay (maybe longer) before it actually picks up anything, it just blinks green. I checked the battery and it is fully charged so not sure whats up.
If I think of it. I'll ,check the tuners in mine. That said, I never use the built ins in any of my guitars. Right now I'm using a "Poly Tune" clip on. It has a strobe function, it's very accurate, and costs about $50.00. You might think about grabbing one next time M'sF has one of their accessory sales.

One word of caution, release the strings fully before before you try and pull those damned "Advantage bridge pins". The only one enjoying an "advantage" from those suckers is Ibanez. I bough a spare set, (IDK if regular pins will fit their bridges), at $2.00 each. Right now, Ibanez is quoting them at 6 bucks a pop, and all they are is cheap plastic, with some fluting on the shanks.

Anyway, if you're fully satisfied with the sound of your guitar, I'd stick with the 80/20 alloy strings it ships with. They're brighter than phosphor bronze, and it you like the extra sparkle in the high end, those "brass" strings are the only way to get it. The guitar apparently has a genuine bone nut and saddle, which can also help the sound. (That's a long story and an even longer argument). Best to accept it as a good feature, a get on with the rest of your life. Sometimes it's hard to imagine how a small point like saddle & nut material can be so contentious.

Anyway, pitch up some picture if you can, and, "Happy New Guitar Day"!

EDIT: The last Ibanez acoustic I bought was labeled as "Made in Indonesia". Which makes me think Samick, or possibly Cort may be the OEM. Mine sound like shit, but the QC and the workmanship are both excellent. OEMs build what they are told, and if they're handed a good design, you'll get a good guitar, regardless of whose name is on the head stock.
Last edited by Captaincranky at Feb 8, 2016,
#20
The bridge pins were a little different I also noticed. I had looked at getting something denser material-wise but decided right now to just enjoy the guitar. I will get some new pins and see if I can remember to let y'all know if they fit well. Thanks guys for the info, advice and suggestions. Still very happy with this guitar!