#1
Hi guys,

I've came across with a guy selling his guitar and it looks like this



Any idea how much is it? And how to know if it's authentic? Thanks!
#2
If you google "fender gretsch telecaster", you can see a couple images of this model. I wouldn't presume to claim this isn't authentic, but in any of those images prominent features are the big Gretsch control knobs, a knob on the treble-side horn, and a gold switch tip. The F-holes on this also look dodgy, the Bigsby is different etc. etc.

Again, I'm not going to make the call myself because I don't know the production history of this model (especially since it was presumably an exclusively Custom Shop thing), but I'm not convinced. The F-holes in particular I can't see anyone at Fender making the conscious decision to make them that shape.
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#3
Thanks for your quick reply. Yeah i also believe that this is not a real fender. There's no serial on the head so 90% fakee right?
#6
Nope. I don't think it looks particularly nice with that hardware on it, and there's also the legal issues associated with fakes, since it goes so far as to carry the Fender logo.
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Given that this fake, would you buy it?


No, consider why fakes are made, because the guitar on its own isn't good enough to be sold with it's own name. And I'm talking about fakes that go so far as to use the company's name. There is a difference between a copy or something (like a yamaha pacifica) and something that is an illegal copy in this instance with the copied company's name on there.
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#8
i'm not ready to call it a fake just yet, fender has made some weird shit in japan.

the three screw trc is what's keeping me in doubts.
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Given that this fake, would you buy it?


nope. i wouldn't touch it.

its a forgery.

if somebody gave you a fake $100 for $80 in real money if you knew that the $100 bill was counterfeit? i sure as hell wouldn't.
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#10
Only the seller can tell you the price, and as Ippon posted, it could be legit.

I've seen other builders make similar guitars, too. Hi-Tone made a hardtail 12-string like that, for instance. Sounded killer.
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#11
That guitar probably sounds great and it looks fantastic. I do not think it is a telecaster in my way of thinking a telecaster has a solid body with a single coil pickup in the bridge and the usual kind of single coil they have at the neck, that is a telecaster. This is a fine guitar with a body shape similar to a telecaster. No disrespect intended.
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That guitar probably sounds great and it looks fantastic. I do not think it is a telecaster in my way of thinking a telecaster has a solid body with a single coil pickup in the bridge and the usual kind of single coil they have at the neck, that is a telecaster. This is a fine guitar with a body shape similar to a telecaster. No disrespect intended.

umm did you not read and see all the pics above, fender DID team up with gretsch and they did make a guitar that looked very much like this...

along with everyone else here though OP, i do have doubts about the legitimacy of the guitar given the pictures Ippon posted and the ones you posted, the orange version and yours have different fret markers, not to say that's a dead giveaway but it's ringing bells.

the pickups also look different and i think the biggest giveaway imo is the potato quality of the pictures. anyone wishing to sell any guitar at any spec level usually takes some decent, steady pictures of the full front, full back, front of body, back of body and both sides of the head, that's really the minimum requirement of pictures people should be taking to sell guitars.

by all means go and try it out and see what you can get it for, but don't be handing money over believing that you're buying a 100% genuine product, only the seller really knows if it's genuine or not and i'm sure they won't tell you if it isn't, but just seeing the pictures posted above, i wouldn't be comfortable saying to anyone "yes, that's a genuine guitar"
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#13
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along with everyone else here though OP, i do have doubts about the legitimacy of the guitar given the pictures Ippon posted and the ones you posted, the orange version and yours have different fret markers, not to say that's a dead giveaway but it's ringing bells.

...and, in the photos Ippon posted, there are more defined F-holes, a different hardware setup (much Gretschier - Gretsch knobs and gold switch, and a knob on the treble side upper bout), gold hardware including the tuners but a nickel or chrome bridge and tailpiece, and no visible neck-end strap button where it is on the one OP posted.

I know I've already said most of that, and gregs1020 makes a fair point (though one with which, in this case, I tend to disagree, if not necessarily with absolute certainty), but I think we should be clear that the guitar OP posted differs from the Custom Shop Tele6120 that Google will show you in quite a number of ways.
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Nope. I don't think it looks particularly nice with that hardware on it, and there's also the legal issues associated with fakes, since it goes so far as to carry the Fender logo.


It's completely legal to own a fake. It's illegal to sell it and not tell anyone it's a fake.
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Nope. I don't think it looks particularly nice with that hardware on it, and there's also the legal issues associated with fakes, since it goes so far as to carry the Fender logo.


It's completely legal to own a fake. It's illegal to sell it and not tell anyone it's a fake.

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No, consider why fakes are made, because the guitar on its own isn't good enough to be sold with it's own name. And I'm talking about fakes that go so far as to use the company's name. There is a difference between a copy or something (like a yamaha pacifica) and something that is an illegal copy in this instance with the copied company's name on there.


Plenty of fakes are accidentally good. People put "FENDER" on top because it brings more cash, even if you do admit it's a fake. I've seen people sell fake Gibson Les Pauls on craigslist and still get $600 for them because they play well.

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by all means go and try it out and see what you can get it for, but don't be handing money over believing that you're buying a 100% genuine product, only the seller really knows if it's genuine or not and i'm sure they won't tell you if it isn't, but just seeing the pictures posted above, i wouldn't be comfortable saying to anyone "yes, that's a genuine guitar"


Ignore yope, he's a blockhead. Also, I mirror this sentiment. Ask the guy if he has a certificate of authenticity, a guitar like that would undoubtedly have one. Ask to get a picture of the serial number. If he doesn't have one, just say "I think that may be a copy."

If the response is something like "Me, too," then see if you can wiggle the price down. Play it, you might love it. Who knows? I don't think they'd put those Sperzels and a Bigsby on a total piece of shit, that's what the Squier cult does.
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#16
Ask the guy if he has a certificate of authenticity, a guitar like that would undoubtedly have one. Ask to get a picture of the serial number. If he doesn't have one, just say "I think that may be a copy."

Sensible.
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