#1
Hello everyone, I have run into a predicament. I'm looking at buying my first 8 string and I've narrowed it down to two models. The Schecter Banshee Elite 8 or the ESP E-II HRF NT-8B.
I currently own two Schecter models, the Blackjack SLS Avenger FR-S and the Hellraiser C-7. I've played numbers of different Schecters and have never once been disappointed by them. Though I have played a few ESPs and a number of LTDs, I've never had the chance to play an E-II. I do know that E-II was created to bridge the quality gap between ESP and LTD but again, I know nothing of the E-II quality and playability.
I have no real concerns or complaints about either instrument so I'm hoping someone can help me in making my final decision. Any help and/or input from someone who either has played or owns either of these instruments would be more than greatly appreciated.
I've looked into other companies such as Strictly 7, Halo, Agile, Jackson and the such. But nothing really appealed to me, be it specs, color, hardware, or what have you.
Currently I am playing through a Line 6 Spider IV 150w but will be upgrading to a Mesa Boogie Mark V and 2x12 cab within the next few months. A lot of what I plan on playing with it will be mostly original compositions. I've been exploring the prog and djent side of music for the last year or so and I think an upgrade would help expand my creativity exponentially.
Again, I look forward to and help that can be given and hopefully find me my new 8 string. Thanks again!
#2
I would buy the amp before an 8 string. Spiders are absolutely horrible amps and the super low notes will just sound like even more congealed feces than a regular guitar through it.
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#4
new amp for sure
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#5
I understand all the hate for the Spider but that's not the topic at hand. It still works and has worked fine for me for the last several years and honestly I don't mind it. But everyone is entitled to their own opinions. My question comes back to the guitars. Which one would be a better choice?
#6
My money would go on the ESP, the highest non USA custom shop Schecters are made in the same factory as LTD 1000 series, so the ESP would be a higher quality.

I also vastly prefer ESP to Schecter anyway, I used to own a couple of LTD 1000s
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#7
I didn't know that non USA high-end Schecters were made in the same factory that LTDs were. I did know that the E-II is made in the same factory that ESPs are so I do imagine the quality would be of a higher grade. But even the high-end Schecters from Korea have a great quality of to them. I have 2 of them and I love them to death.
#9
E-II is supposed to be the same as the original standard series. Schecters are made in World Music in Korea with the 1000 series LTDs. With that said the E-II is a step up from both despite Schecter producing quality guitars. Like the other said though buy the amp before the guitar.
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#10
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I didn't know that non USA high-end Schecters were made in the same factory that LTDs were. I did know that the E-II is made in the same factory that ESPs are so I do imagine the quality would be of a higher grade. But even the high-end Schecters from Korea have a great quality of to them. I have 2 of them and I love them to death.


It is 1000 series LTD, high end Schecter, PRS SE and Chapman guitars all made at World Music in Korea.
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#11
So what I'm hearing, besides buy a new amp, is that the extra few hundred dollars for the quality would be well worth the purchase of the E-II over the Schecter. Yes?
#12
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So what I'm hearing, besides buy a new amp, is that the extra few hundred dollars for the quality would be well worth the purchase of the E-II over the Schecter. Yes?

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#13
Truthfully, all I really wanted to get from this thread was how each instrument plays. I mean I do appreciate everyones comments and opinions but like I said, all I wanted was an idea on how they play.
#14
i would go ESP.

new amp first though.
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#15
I own a Schecter C1-Classic and an ESP E-II Horizon III. These are fairly similar instruments from a design perspective: They are both neck-thru body guitars, and they both have Seymore Duncan Humbuckers. Both guitars also have a coil tap. The Schecter has a maple neck thru mahogany body, while the ESP is a Maple neck thru alder body.

The ESP E-II is a more refined and contained guitar in my opinion. The Schecter has a more ballsy sound and has a bit more edge to it. Both are great guitars. Without knowing the composition of the electronics, I note that the ESP is a bit easier to control on the noise side.

Both guitars play well. The ESP with the alder body does sound a bit colder than the Schecter. The Schecter feels heavier. Side by side, the two guitars are very close in terms of shape and size. I actually bought the ESP because I liked the Schecter. The ESP appeared to be a higher end version of the same type of design. I fancied myself getting rid of the Schecter after I bought the E-II, but now I think I will keep them both.

The ESP does feel a bit smoother to play, but I have to be careful because these things are very subjective. As I said above it is a colder guitar. The Schecter has the mahogany body, so it sounds warmer and resonates a bit more. I did not like the vine of life very much on the Schecter, so cosmetically I give it to the ESP there.

These are not the guitars you are interested in, but they are two very similar guitars from ESP and Schecter. The price difference is about $500 new between the two of them, the ESP being the more expensive. Hope this helps.
#16
ESP E-II is the made in Japan line that used to be the ESP standard. Now they have reserved the actual ESP logo to custom shop and made in America.

The fretwork and neck on my E-II is phenomenal.

The post above could just be a difference in pickups. Seymour Duncan makes tons of great pickups and some not so great ones - all subjective.
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#17
I own an ESP (Standard series, now renamed as the E-II line). It's head and shoulders above any Schecters I've ever played save for the USA ones which are quite a bit more money.
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#18
I own an ESP Standard, and I love it. I would like to also own an E-II some day. I hope you decide to get one, the two I've played were both great.
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