#1
I'm looking at two 2x12 cabs on Craigslist and I'm not sure which speaker would work better for my style of playing. 1 cab has a V30 and Classic Lead 80 and the other cab has 2 Greenback's.

I tend to play heavier fuzz/distortion tones and i don't tend to like piercing high strings....

I've been looking at reviews and reading alot about the 2 speakers but I'm not sure which would be better suited for me.

My playing ranges from Sleep to Every Time I Die. I like big crunchy riffs....

Any suggestions?
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#2
V30 all the way. Greenbacks are for more vintage tones.
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What are you running for a head?
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#5
I made a quick demo with both (using an amp sim).
Personally, I prefer v30s for almost everything. They just cut through every mix and don't get muddy. They also sound nice and tight.
If you want a slightly less harsh sound, you could swap one of the v30s for a Creamback H (Periphery uses this combo in their cabs).

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#6
Really depends on the amp. Keep in mind the wattage rating of the cabs. The cab with the greenbacks is only going to be able to handle 50 watts. The cab with the V30 and Lead 80 can handle more power - 120 watts. You have a lot more flexibility for heads with a higher wattage rated cab.

There are plenty of metal guys out there who use greenbacks.
The V30 Lead 80 cab is going to be more modern sounding.
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Really depends on the amp. Keep in mind the wattage rating of the cabs. The cab with the greenbacks is only going to be able to handle 50 watts. The cab with the V30 and Lead 80 can handle more power - 120 watts. You have a lot more flexibility for heads with a higher wattage rated cab.

There are plenty of metal guys out there who use greenbacks.
The V30 Lead 80 cab is going to be more modern sounding.


this was pretty close to what i was going to post.

most likely the V30/Classic 80 cab is going to provide more range of tones and more flexibility than the G12M-25 cab.

personally i am not a fan of V30's and would pick the G12M cab but this advice is not about what i like, it's about what is most likely the better choice for you.
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Greenbacks sound like garbage. They mud up the sound and feel muffled. V30's are a godsend.
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I'm leaning towards the V30/Lead 80 combo, but it's not as clear cut as one might think.

You mentioned Sleep, and Greenbacks are imo pretty nice for stoner type tones. It also comes down to the amp a lot. I've played a couple modern hi-gain amps through Greenbacks (and derivatives) and they did sound great through them. Not much fizz at all, like one might expect.

A V30, however, will cut through any mix and can help you make even comparably timid amps sound aggressive. It's just really good in a band context.

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Greenbacks sound like garbage. They mud up the sound and feel muffled. V30's are a godsend.

I guess that's why they were used in the cabs for the Framus Cobra, which is a dedicated hi-gain amp. Presumably the engineers who decided on that must be a bunch of howler monkeys.
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Greenbacks sound like garbage. They mud up the sound and feel muffled. V30's are a godsend.


Don't agree. I use one with my Vox head and it chimes.
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Greenbacks sound like garbage. They mud up the sound and feel muffled. V30's are a godsend.

tell that to Splawn who uses a greenback clone in their cabs (small block). His amps sound pretty damn articulate even with tones of gain.
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#13
Thanks everyone! I'm going to check out the V30/Classic 80 cab tonight. Currently running a Marshall MG 15Lead....just sold my 6505 head and going to eventually get a jcm2000. The impedance on both speakers BTW is 8.
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Thanks everyone! I'm going to check out the V30/Classic 80 cab tonight. Currently running a Marshall MG 15Lead....just sold my 6505 head and going to eventually get a jcm2000. The impedance on both speakers BTW is 8.



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I downsized because of apartment playing. I was never a fan of the 6505, it was too punchy and I wanted to get more of a fatter sound. I turned into more of the Orange/Marshall fan.

My MG is just to hold me over for the time being. Still looking into different head options.
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i'd probably lean towards the v30/cl80 combo- that's a nice combo that works well together and is very versatile.

that being said, assuming the greenbacks are high enough wattage for your head, that doesn't mean the gbs would be a terrible choice if you just happen to like them or if they suit what you're playing (I don't know anything about stoner metal).
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#17
No point in buying a cab if you plan to power it with an MG All speakers will sound universally terrible.

When you get a real amp, get V30s
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#20
I picked up the V30/CL80 amp i mentioned before. It sounds absolutely killer! The guy I bought it from too got me a hook up with a guy with some old Sunn and Traynor heads! Love this cab.
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There are plenty of people that will prefer a JCM2000 over a 6505. Your comment is twisted by personal preference only. Gary Moore used a JCM2000, not a 6505 - for obvious reasons. I myself would take a DSL100 over a 6505 every time too.


I never said the JCM2000 was bad. I just said the 6505 was better. Sure, each amp would be better at doing different things. However, the word "better" is generally always attached to the opinion of the person saying it. Anyway, the comparison between the 6505 and JCM wasn't exactly the focal point of my post.
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Greenbacks sound like garbage. They mud up the sound and feel muffled. V30's are a godsend.


it is amazing how many good guitar players have chosen the G12M-25 speaker. to say they sound like garbage is a pretty ignorant statement and completely ignores how many Hendrix, Zepplin, AC/DC, etc albums were made with these speakers.
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it is amazing how many good guitar players have chosen the G12M-25 speaker. to say they sound like garbage is a pretty ignorant statement and completely ignores how many Hendrix, Zepplin, AC/DC, etc albums were made with these speakers.


How can it be ignorant? I know very well that its used, and I have used one myself. In my opinion, it's an awful sound compared to the v30. You can make great albums that have bad audio quality. There's a lot more that goes into a recording then the speakers. Arguable, the mix has MUCH more impact on sound and clarity. In a live scenario though, the v30's are night and day with the greenbacks. And this is from a guy who plays through a 100w 5150 head which was designed to play with the greenbacks.
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How can it be ignorant? I know very well that its used, and I have used one myself. In my opinion, it's an awful sound compared to the v30. You can make great albums that have bad audio quality. There's a lot more that goes into a recording then the speakers. Arguable, the mix has MUCH more impact on sound and clarity. In a live scenario though, the v30's are night and day with the greenbacks. And this is from a guy who plays through a 100w 5150 head which was designed to play with the greenbacks.


How can a blanket statement as general as "greenbacks are garbage" not be ignorant? I push several heads into GB loaded cabs regularly. I prefer V30's for metal, especially if i am down tuning. Actually I prefer k85's over both. I feel that saying "i prefer _____ over greenbacks." would be a better statement.

Also, gumbi knows his speakers.
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#25
I recently went from V30s to WGS Reapers and Invaders (both greenback style speakers) for my doom rig. I couldn't be happier. V30s are fantastic speakers for all kinds of heavy music, but for Sleep etc. I highly recommend greenbacks or similar. All of the things that make V30s great for modern metal are exactly the things you don't want for doom and stoner fuzz tones. They're really tight and responsive with plenty of top end. If you're concerned about the treble strings being too piercing, go with greenbacks.
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I recently went from V30s to WGS Reapers and Invaders (both greenback style speakers) for my doom rig. I couldn't be happier. V30s are fantastic speakers for all kinds of heavy music, but for Sleep etc. I highly recommend greenbacks or similar. All of the things that make V30s great for modern metal are exactly the things you don't want for doom and stoner fuzz tones. They're really tight and responsive with plenty of top end. If you're concerned about the treble strings being too piercing, go with greenbacks.

the reaper series is not a Greenback clone, it is a G12h30 clone which is more modern sounding than a Greenback

But yeah that combo for speaker types is great for stoner, but TS also wants to do metalcore like ETID which would benefit from speakers like the V30 that are extremely tight
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