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#1
I am not a feminist.

It seems like every time people in my classes find this out, they assume I don’t understand what we’re talking about. They try to explain it to me. I know what you’re saying; I just don’t agree. And that’s okay.

Don’t get me wrong; I’m all for equal pay. I think if a woman is doing the same job as a man (and just as good of a job), she should be paid the same. And if this were the early to mid-twentieth century, I would be a feminist. But this is no longer the first wave feminism. We are currently in what is called the fourth wave of feminism.

I don’t want the things that these feminists are fighting for. And further explaining it won’t change my mind.

“Why are women considered the more domestic and nurturing ones?”

Why do you think women give birth? How could you not be nurturing after carrying a child inside of you for nine months? And it is completely okay to choose to stay home and be a mother because that is the hardest job in the world. It is okay to like cooking. It is okay to take care of your husband and children. It is okay to want your boyfriend to ask for your father’s blessing before proposing to you. It is okay to take his last name. Feminists wouldn’t have you believe these things.

You aren’t losing your identity through doing these things. You are showing what (or who) you value.

But listen carefully when I say that you are not called to submit to any man but your husband. You don’t submit to your boss. You don’t submit to your boyfriend. You don’t submit to your brother. You don’t submit to any man that you are not married to.

And women are not lower than men. I will agree with feminists on that. I believe that God loves me equally to how he loves the man that I will marry. But I do believe that the man is the head of the household. The man is to be the provider, protector, and leader of his family.

That is a lot of pressure. And I don’t understand why feminists want to take it on. Why would you want that? God did make women as fragile beings. But He also made us as strong beings. As capable beings. And while you are in your period of singleness, it is okay to be independent. But when you get married, you don’t have to be. And that is thought of as a bad thing, when really, it is a gift. It is a weight lifted to have a husband you can lean on.

I am not a feminist, and that is okay. I do not want the power that men are assumed to have, and that is okay. I want to be a mom who takes care of her children and doesn’t miss out on their lives. And that is okay.

It is okay to believe in traditionalist values. It is okay to believe in God and what He has taught us.


#2
Cool story


totally read it
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#5
Soooooo not a feminist but still believes in feminist ideas. That's a feminist.
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Soooooo not a feminist but still believes in feminist ideas. That's a feminist.


well not really

you can not be a socialist but still believe in socialist ideas

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#7
Being a mother isn't the hardest job in the world.
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This is going to end well.
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Being a mother isn't the hardest job in the world.


Maybe not, but in some ways it's definitely in the upper 50% of the top two...
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#10
Imagine copy pasting from lipstick alley.


What a time we live in.
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#11
did someone say destroy capitalism??


I dont call myself a feminist because I haven't read any feminist literature, or done any real research into it. I'm all for equality, but I don't label myself as one because its not something I feel particularity strong about, and I'd feel dishonest if I did call myself a feminist

also the irony of feminists getting pissy at women who don't call themselves feminists is great. Isn's feminism supposed to be about giving women freedom and liberty, that means that they have the freedom to believe what they want
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#12
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Being a mother isn't the hardest job in the world.


It might not be the hardest job in the world but I don't know if I could have handled what my wife had to emotionally, physically, mentally while she was pregnant.

You're obviously not a parent, not to be a dick, but you'd have to look pretty hard to find a more demanding job than that of mother/parent if it's being done right.

I've experienced doing a couple difficult jobs before
#14
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well not really

you can not be a socialist but still believe in socialist ideas

Except that text doesn't mention anything that's un-feminist since it's all about freedom of choice and not putting a woman down because she chooses a more traditional gender role. That's feminist. If you believe that a woman should be equal to a man and be able to choose without prejudice what to do in life and not face discrimination for being a woman, then you're a feminist.
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#15
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It might not be the hardest job in the world but I don't know if I could have handled what my wife had to emotionally, physically, mentally while she was pregnant.

You're obviously not a parent, not to be a dick, but you'd have to look pretty hard to find a more demanding job than that of mother/parent if it's being done right.


Off the top of my head:

Bomb defusal expert?
Coal miner?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIMigVo1pyA

That guy?

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If you believe that a woman should be equal to a man and be able to choose without prejudice what to do in life and not face discrimination for being a woman, then you're a feminist.


In all ways or in some?
#16
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Except that text doesn't mention anything that's un-feminist since it's all about freedom of choice and not putting a woman down because she chooses a more traditional gender role. That's feminist. If you believe that a woman should be equal to a man and be able to choose without prejudice what to do in life and not face discrimination for being a woman, then you're a feminist.


Nah, people have every right to reject whatever label put upon them no matter how much of your checklist you think they've completed.

It's like saying for example "Oh you have a penis, then you are a man"
That's not always the case.
#17
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Off the top of my head:

Bomb defusal expert?
Coal miner?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIMigVo1pyA

That guy?


In all ways or in some?



I'd add prostitute as well.

Of course I've never been a mother nor a prostitute.
But prostitute seems way harder
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#18
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If women don't practice witchcraft, they'll never get it right.


as a man, i'm disappointed that i can never truly be considered a witch
i don't want to be called a goddamn warlock, or a wizard
i want to be a witch
#19
tfw feminists are trying to distinguish themselves from other feminists

this is the damage that third wave feminism has wrought
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#20
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as a man, i'm disappointed that i can never truly be considered a witch
i don't want to be called a goddamn warlock, or a wizard
i want to be a witch

Have you tried ripping your dick off?
#21
We currently live in meme feminism. Ignore any good stuff like more female representation in media and focus on the tumblr post or clickbait article about castration. I am not a meme feminist, and that is okay.

Also I don't think I knew a single stay at home mom growing up. Does it only happen for the well-off or poor??
#22
there's no way im reading that shit


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#23
If I could comfortably support my wife, my children and myself I'd be perfectly fine with it. But she would kinda have to work if she wanted to be with my broke ass and not also live in a van.
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#25
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We currently live in meme feminism. Ignore any good stuff like more female representation in media and focus on the tumblr post or clickbait article about castration. I am not a meme feminist, and that is okay.

Also I don't think I knew a single stay at home mom growing up. Does it only happen for the well-off or poor??

You mean important stuff like this?

http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/16/sexism-row-over-male-presenters-sitting-on-left-side-of-the-tv-sofa-5755845/
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Except that text doesn't mention anything that's un-feminist since it's all about freedom of choice and not putting a woman down because she chooses a more traditional gender role. That's feminist. If you believe that a woman should be equal to a man and be able to choose without prejudice what to do in life and not face discrimination for being a woman, then you're a feminist.


I've always hated this "If you believe in equality then you're automatically a feminist" argument.

I guess by that logic I'm a Republican since I believe that being fiscally conservative is wise and support the idea of individual liberties, even though I'm liberal on most social issues. No group or movement has a monopoly on an ideal or a belief, especially one as ubiquitous as equality. To suggest that believing in equality automatically makes you a member of any sociopolitical group or movement is absurd.
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#27
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I've always hated this "If you believe in equality then you're automatically a feminist" argument.

I guess by that logic I'm a Republican since I believe that being fiscally conservative is wise and support the idea of individual liberties, even though I'm liberal on most social issues. No group or movement has a monopoly on an ideal or a belief, especially one as ubiquitous as equality. To suggest that believing in equality automatically makes you a member of any sociopolitical group or movement is absurd.

Your post is absurd. If you believe some races are worse than others, then you are a racist because of that belief. If you think women are worse than men you are sexist because of tthat belief. We have carefully defined the link between beliefs and sociopolitical groups.
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I've always hated this "If you believe in equality then you're automatically a feminist" argument.

I guess by that logic I'm a Republican since I believe that being fiscally conservative is wise and support the idea of individual liberties, even though I'm liberal on most social issues. No group or movement has a monopoly on an ideal or a belief, especially one as ubiquitous as equality. To suggest that believing in equality automatically makes you a member of any sociopolitical group or movement is absurd.

Yeah.


Also because equality is difficult to define, even within feminism, and this just results in the pleasant but meaningless notion that you "believe in equality". It's just devoid of meaning.


Oh, just got to the second half of the article:

You don’t submit to any man that you are not married to.


It's a #bradthread, everyone!
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#29
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We have carefully defined the link between beliefs and sociopolitical groups.


No we havent. It's been extremely uncareful.
To the point now that feminism as a sociopolitical group is just a name.

Like the Dallas Cowboys are not actually cowboys. It's just a name.
Feminism is simply the name of a gang with no relation to what the gang members do.
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#31
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No we havent. It's been extremely uncareful.
To the point now that feminism as a sociopolitical group is just a name.

Like the Dallas Cowboys are not actually cowboys. It's just a name.
Feminist is simply the name of a gang.

We haven't? In that case, you are a racist, sexist, humanist, communist, capitalist, feminist MRA. These things don't mean anything so I can just throw them around randomly.
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#32
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Your post is absurd. If you believe some races are worse than others, then you are a racist because of that belief. If you think women are worse than men you are sexist because of tthat belief. We have carefully defined the link between beliefs and sociopolitical groups.


you haven't actually argued against anything he's said. You've just made two obvious statements, and one idiotic one, that doesn't discredit anything in nec's post

Nec's post is solid I couldn't agree more, and its very well articulated
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#33
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We haven't? In that case, you are a racist, sexist, humanist, communist, capitalist, feminist MRA. These things don't mean anything so I can just throw them around randomly.


Yeh, exactly.
Everyone on the internet gets called these things on the whims of bored social justice warriors.
They are indeed meaningless.
#34
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If you think women are worse than men you are sexist because of tthat belief.


So what you're basically saying is that there's only sexists and feminists, and that if you're not a feminist, you're automatically sexist.

I'm pretty sure you're the absurd one here, not me.
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So what you're basically saying is that there's only sexists and feminists, and that if you're not a feminist, you're automatically sexist.

I'm pretty sure you're the absurd one here, not me.

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#36
Neo's argument mischaracterized what Necrosis said, yeah. A closer analogue would be "just because you are staunchly racist, does not mean you are a member of the KKK".


Although someone else pointed out that feminism isn't an organized movement, which makes it more difficult. It's more like conservatism than the Republican party, Necrosis.
#37
Also if you have black hair then you are Asian.

Asians have black hair er go if you have black hair you are Asian
#38
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Except that text doesn't mention anything that's un-feminist since it's all about freedom of choice and not putting a woman down because she chooses a more traditional gender role. That's feminist. If you believe that a woman should be equal to a man and be able to choose without prejudice what to do in life and not face discrimination for being a woman, then you're a feminist.


no bcos lots of feminists spout tons of absurd crap that i dont want to be associated with

its like oh i want economic equality

oh that must mean you're a socialist then! economic equality = socialism

and that aint true because someone might believe that economic equality comes from a capitalist free market society

feminism is the method, not the belief.

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Except that text doesn't mention anything that's un-feminist since it's all about freedom of choice and not putting a woman down because she chooses a more traditional gender role. That's feminist. If you believe that a woman should be equal to a man and be able to choose without prejudice what to do in life and not face discrimination for being a woman, then you're a feminist.

Re-read the text. It gets to a point where it states that subservience to your husband is valuable, although does not extend this mandate to other men.


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feminism is the method, not the belief.

This is what now


Also fuck you for that mention earlier
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So what you're basically saying is that there's only sexists and feminists, and that if you're not a feminist, you're automatically sexist.

I'm pretty sure you're the absurd one here, not me.

Yes. When you are not sexist you confirm to the basic ideas that make up the core of feminism. You may also fall under various other groups/movements.
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