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Yeah that probably wasn't the wisest choice of locations for a photo op
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#4
greater good lol
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#6
I genuinely think Obama has been a solid and respectable president for the US and i'm proud to have voted for him, but there are times like these when he seems like the most aloof motherfucker in the world.
#8
lmao @ an American leader saluting, hand-over-heart, in front of a Che Guevara backdrop in Cuba. Not even your Marxist stoner friends are happy about this.


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#9
Plenty of US presidents were slave owners and yet Americans still worship them is this really worse than Obama having a dollar bill in his pocket
#10
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Plenty of US presidents were slave owners and yet Americans still worship them is this really worse than Obama having a dollar bill in his pocket

Yes because Obama has portrayed himself as an intelligent, progressive, and forward thinking dude. Would Obama stand for a picture in front of a Confederate flag? That's what this amounts to, and I don't think he would.
#11
As for the last sentence there, why wouldnt you want revolutionary figures on t-shirts? Making them a brand is the best way to neutralise anything they stood for.
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#12
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2004/09/the_cult_of_che.html

The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster. Many of the early leaders of the Cuban Revolution favored a democratic or democratic-socialist direction for the new Cuba. But Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system—the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims. To get himself killed, and to get a lot of other people killed, was central to Che's imagination. In the famous essay in which he issued his ringing call for "two, three, many Vietnams," he also spoke about martyrdom and managed to compose a number of chilling phrases: "Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become …"— and so on. He was killed in Bolivia in 1967, leading a guerrilla movement that had failed to enlist a single Bolivian peasant. And yet he succeeded in inspiring tens of thousands of middle class Latin-Americans to exit the universities and organize guerrilla insurgencies of their own. And these insurgencies likewise accomplished nothing, except to bring about the death of hundreds of thousands, and to set back the cause of Latin-American democracy—a tragedy on the hugest scale.
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Yes because Obama has portrayed himself as an intelligent, progressive, and forward thinking dude. Would Obama stand for a picture in front of a Confederate flag? That's what this amounts to, and I don't think he would.

Oh please I bet you wouldn't have a problem with Obama doing the pledge and yet the American flag stands for more bloodshed/genocide than the Confederate by a large margin


Basically my point is wow who is dumb enough to give a shit
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Yes because Obama has portrayed himself as an intelligent, progressive, and forward thinking dude. Would Obama stand for a picture in front of a Confederate flag? That's what this amounts to, and I don't think he would.

C'mon, Guevara isn't an icon of racism. He probably should be, but that's not something the iconography spans.
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C'mon, Guevara isn't an icon of racism. He probably should be, but that's not something the iconography spans.


Sure, but my point is this: Obama has been the president who wishes to look towards the past in retrospect and learn from its mistakes. That includes US wars/intervention, and it includes certain things like the confederate flag, Andrew Jackson, and other things like that. Che does not represent the things that Obama wants the US to represent, and if he's going to call out certain things and not negotiate with certain people for such reasons, then he needs to be consistent.

I type this sitting in front of my 24x36 Obama Hope poster.
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Oh please I bet you wouldn't have a problem with Obama doing the pledge and yet the American flag stands for more bloodshed/genocide than the Confederate by a large margin


Basically my point is wow who is dumb enough to give a shit


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Sure, but my point is this: Obama has been the president who wishes to look towards the past in retrospect and learn from its mistakes. That includes US wars/intervention, and it includes certain things like the confederate flag, Andrew Jackson, and other things like that. Che does not represent the things that Obama wants the US to represent, and if he's going to call out certain things and not negotiate with certain people for such reasons, then he needs to be consistent.

I type this sitting in front of my 24x36 Obama Hope poster.

Wouldn't the Cuban embargo be on that list of national contrition? It's not like Che himself is the object of the visit. The picture is stupid, but it's not so dumb that it becomes atypical of US foreign diplomacy
#19
Obama obviously wants to bomb the US

His middle name his Hussein he's blatantly just a middle eastern terrorist who has infiltrated the US government!!!!!!111!!!!
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#21
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Wouldn't the Cuban embargo be on that list of national contrition? It's not like Che himself is the object of the visit. The picture is stupid, but it's not so dumb that it becomes atypical of US foreign diplomacy

Yeah I know, but it's annoying that he comes off as so aloof sometimes and opens himself up to easy criticisms.
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Well, honoring a Commie who didn't actually do anything to hurt Americans is better than honoring fallen Nazi soldiers who did. Like Ronnie Reagan. But I digress.
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Well, honoring a Commie who didn't actually do anything to hurt Americans is better than honoring fallen Nazi soldiers who did. Like Ronnie Reagan. But I digress.

cringe so hard mothafuckas wanna check on my health

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Yeah I know, but it's annoying that he comes off as so aloof sometimes and opens himself up to easy criticisms.

troof
#24
Obama is listening to the US National Anthem in that picture.

Do you think Obama should have been like "take this shit down. I don't give a fuck about cuban-us relations anymore fuck you guys. Allow me to enlighten you trend following idiots about the reality of this this violent racist douche. Also stay tuned for my Gandhi and mother Teresa exposé"
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Plenty of US presidents were slave owners and yet Americans still worship them is this really worse than Obama having a dollar bill in his pocket

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Well, honoring a Commie who didn't actually do anything to hurt Americans is better than honoring fallen Nazi soldiers who did. Like Ronnie Reagan. But I digress.


This is the literary equivalent of "I know you are but what am I".

Thanks Pee Wee.
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#29
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This is the literary equivalent of "I know you are but what am I".

Thanks Pee Wee.

o_O you need to read better books
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This is the literary equivalent of "I know you are but what am I".

Thanks Pee Wee.


Oh...so you think Reagan laying a funeral wreath at a tomb for Nazi soldiers isn't as bad as Obama visiting Cuba and being diplomatic?

Interesting. On the same trip where Reagan quite literally mourned dead nazis he refused to visit any WW2 death camps because he said "he didn't want to send the wrong message"

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-04-12/news/mn-7772_1_war-dead
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Oh...so you think Reagan laying a funeral wreath at a tomb for Nazi soldiers isn't as bad as Obama visiting Cuba and being diplomatic?

Interesting. On the same trip where Reagan quite literally mourned dead nazis he refused to visit any WW2 death camps because he said "he didn't want to send the wrong message"

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-04-12/news/mn-7772_1_war-dead


I said nothing of the sort, you're losing it.

But using the alleged bad acts of one to justify the alleged bad acts of another is childish.

At best.
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#34
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Reagan could have kicked your ass though tbh


Reagan wasn't even man enough to qualify to fight during WW2, bad eyes.

To be fair even if he had 20/10 I'd have quite easily mopped up the floor with him. Same as I would with you.
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Reagan wasn't even man enough to qualify to fight during WW2, bad eyes.

To be fair even if he had 20/10 I'd have quite easily mopped up the floor with him. Same as I would with you.


Internet tough guy is a fun game to watch...
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#36
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Reagan could have kicked your ass though tbh

I bet Reagan had a bigger penis circumference too.
#37
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Tbf Reagan really is top tier worst presidents


He is widely considered one of, if not the worst, Presidents the USA ever had (at least until GW Bush showed a whole different level of ineptitude). A list of Reagan's "accomplishments": most indicted Presidential cabinet in American history (by a country mile), trading arms for hostages, tripling the national debt after running on a platform of "fiscal responsibility", supporting death squads in Central America, illegally mining the harbors of a Democratic republic (that elected someone he didn't like), Reagan supported Osama Bin Laden and gave him his first "cachet" in the Muslim world, and many, many more examples of blithering idiocy.

On the other hand he had a fine baritone singing voice.
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I said nothing of the sort, you're losing it.

But using the alleged bad acts of one to justify the alleged bad acts of another is childish.

At best.



You mean like using, oh, an attack by Al Qaeda to justify invading a country that had nothing to do with 911?

In that case, I agree
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