#1
Hi,
I've had the Bad Monkey for a while now and it's been good. Am thinking about upgrading it with something like a Maxon 808 something a bit better quality. Is it worth it? My budget it around 120 euros and I'll be buying it from Thomann.
Thanks!

PS I mostly use it with the gain 0 volume max settings.
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Last edited by Guitar137335 at Apr 8, 2016,
#2
Quote by Guitar137335
Hi,
I've had the Bad Monkey for a while now and it's been good. Am thinking about upgrading it with something like a Maxon 808 something a bit better quality. Is it worth it? My budget it around 120 euros and I'll be buying it from Thomann.
Thanks!

PS I mostly use it with the gain 0 volume max settings.


Yes, it´s definitely worth it! Bad Monkey is not that Bad for the price (I used to have one years ago), but Maxon OD808 is worth every single cent. And in the setting you are about to use it, works really Great!. So go for it, dude!
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#3
My Bad Monkey sucked tone. Replaced it with a Budda Zenman. Much, much happier now.

Not sure why the Bad Monkey is recommended so much - others have reported the same tone loss. Maybe it's just specific rigs

My Joyo Vintage Overdrive works great as a Maxon clone. It was $30.
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My Bad Monkey sucked tone. Replaced it with a Budda Zenman. Much, much happier now.

Not sure why the Bad Monkey is recommended so much - others have reported the same tone loss. Maybe it's just specific rigs

My Joyo Vintage Overdrive works great as a Maxon clone. It was $30.


Eh, Bad Monkey is a Tubescreamer copy (with few changes) and every tubescreamer-type pedal do rather drastic changes to your tone so I'm not sure what you are going on about the tone loss. But when you turn it off for cleans, yes there is a tone loss. The buffer it has sucks ass.

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#6
Quote by Guitar137335
Hi,
I've had the Bad Monkey for a while now and it's been good. Am thinking about upgrading it with something like a Maxon 808 something a bit better quality. Is it worth it? My budget it around 120 euros and I'll be buying it from Thomann.
Thanks!

PS I mostly use it with the gain 0 volume max settings.



If you want a transparent overdrive - get the AC Booster from Xotic - it doesn't alter your tone like tubescreamers and clones.
#7
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#8
Assuming you're using it for a metal boost: Either Green Rhino or Duncan 805. Very flexible and noticeable gain boost, certainly more oomph in the level knob's boost (when gain is 0) than the bad monkey. Wider tone control, too.
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#9
Quote by reverb66
If you want a transparent overdrive - get the AC Booster from Xotic - it doesn't alter your tone like tubescreamers and clones.


That´s absolutely true, I have the AC Booster and it really IS very transparent. But in my experience it really excells much more in other areas: it can add very nice round bottom end and beatiful chimey top end to your cleans. I also agree that TS type pedals (including the Maxon808 which I also have) DO alter the tone, but for that setting with zero gain and full output that is the point: they push the already driven amp in exactly those middle frequencies, required to make the high gain sound tighter, with more bite.
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#10
Absolutely worth the upgrade! The Bad Monkey is a solid pedal for the money (I used to have one to boost a Peavey Windsor into metal territory), but the Maxon OD 808 is a definitely a superior pedal you can't go wrong with.

Plenty of other great OD pedals out there which others have already mentioned as well.
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#11
Quote by Maidenheadsteve
Assuming you're using it for a metal boost: Either Green Rhino or Duncan 805. Very flexible and noticeable gain boost, certainly more oomph in the level knob's boost (when gain is 0) than the bad monkey. Wider tone control, too.

The Maxon would be a solid choice but these two are also both really high-quality TS-alikes with some useful tone-shaping features that would be worth checking out.
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Eh, Bad Monkey is a Tubescreamer copy (with few changes) and every tubescreamer-type pedal do rather drastic changes to your tone so I'm not sure what you are going on about the tone loss. But when you turn it off for cleans, yes there is a tone loss. The buffer it has sucks ass.


That buffer was my problem with it. I noticed a major change. Pedals with buffer problems are a waste of space and money IMO. You can do better. Plenty of True Bypass tubescreamers out there that don't suck tone.
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#14
I love the Monkey. I use the mixer out to the amp (it sounds better to my ears). I also use the 805 overdrive, which has a 3 band active EQ.
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#15
it's a wee bit muffled-sounding when on, and its buffer isn't the best when off. so yeah, you can do better. whether it's worth spending the extra on the maxon, I dunno. you're probably talking noticeable-but-slight improvements, and you're paying probably 4-5 times the price of the bad monkey for those subtle improvements. FWIW I thought the joyo vintage overdrive metalmingee mentioned sounded better than the bad monkey (it's sold on thomann under the harley benton brand name) and it's a similar price, but then some people have had problems with joyo build quality whereas the bad monkey doesn't sound just as good but seems to be reliable.

the digitech/hardwire tube od is pretty much a "better" bad monkey, and was reasonably-priced (about £45), but it's been discontinued and last time i looked thomann didn't have any in stock.

another thing to consider if you're using it as a boost is that the bad monkey (and most tubescreamer clones in general) doesn't have a ton of level boost on tap so getting something with more output boost on tap can be a good idea. the hardwire i mentioned does, the visual sound route 808 (but again thomann doesn't have them any more ) does too, and I imagine some others do too.

EDIT: do you have any other buffered pedals currently? the boss sd1 is very nice but can have bleed in bypass which is cured by another buffer in front of it. if you have another buffered pedal it's worth a look, i like it a lot- slightly different from a tubescreamer (more edge, treble and not just as honky but still middy) but in the same ballpark. probably not worth it if you don't have another buffered pedal, though.
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#16
I have a Bad Monkey and it is a good cheap OD for a boost. I have removed it from my board for a GFS greenie which has 3 modes to it so I can get TS808/TS9 sounds and 2 modified versions. it cuts better and is true bypass. but any decent TS pedal will do you fine. I just find it really hard to spend $150+ for an OD pedal.

There is no audible difference between a TS9 and a Maxon 808, there is just a price difference.
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^ apart from anything else the maxon 808 actually isn't an 808, it's a ts10.
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^ apart from anything else the maxon 808 actually isn't an 808, it's a ts10.

I remember hearing something about that and some of the Ibanez TS differences also a while back
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#19
yeah i think it's the analogman site where it says that

have to admit the marketing works... i tried the od808 and od9 head to head, before i knew what was what, and I did think while they sounded very close indeed, that the 808 sounded marginally sweeter
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^ apart from anything else the maxon 808 actually isn't an 808, it's a ts10.

Crucially, a TS10 minus the dodgy construction.
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yeah i think it's the analogman site where it says that

have to admit the marketing works... i tried the od808 and od9 head to head, before i knew what was what, and I did think while they sounded very close indeed, that the 808 sounded marginally sweeter

No that is what they wanted you to think
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#22
How bout a Digitech Hardwire CM2? They sell for bout $40 used (us) but its a damn good ts flavored overdive, has 2 modes: one mid-heavy, one not so much. I prefer it over the TS9 and it works great as a booster or boostee, gets along very well with other pedals.

I'm a fan of the Fulltone Fulldrive 2, too, killer od if you'd prefer a crispier gain tone. I dig the Mosfet setting so I personally think its a better pedal than the FD3, but there's that too.
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#23
^^ (rob) yeah absolutely

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Crucially, a TS10 minus the dodgy construction.


i dunno, i haven't tried the original. but it does look a bit flimsy, as you said.

didn't the 808 have half-assed bypass for a while, though, while claiming it had true?
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#24
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That buffer was my problem with it. I noticed a major change. Pedals with buffer problems are a waste of space and money IMO. You can do better. Plenty of True Bypass tubescreamers out there that don't suck tone.


Fair enough. To me who has the boost on 24/7 the buffer is quite irrelevant but for a gigging musician who needs to change between cleans and dirt on the fly it is definetly a problem.

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