#1
I've got a 496R on neck position and 498T on the bridge. When I select the treble switch it turns on my bridge pickup and when I select rhythm switch it selects my neck pickup so both of my pickups work fine. However when I leave the switch in middle position only bridge pickup seem to work! Because if I turn down the bridge pickup volume/tone to 0 there is literally no sound coming out even if I have neck pickup set to 10/10.

Neck knob has no effect on the sound in middle position. Doesn't matter if neck knobs are set to 0/0 or 10/10 no sound will be coming out if the bridge pickup is set to 0.

How could that be? Can anyone help?
Like I said, both pickups work just fine individually
#2
Open the little circle cover on the upper part of the back of the guitar. Squeeze the two aluminum pieces against the flippy knob in the center. Fixed.

The little metal bit is probably resting against the plastic knob when it's in the center position, not allowing it to contact the parts it needs to let the signal flow through. It would make sense when you're on rhythm because the plastic knob is completely on the other side of the pickup selector assembly.

If it still acts like a ding dong just replace it. It's a $10 part at the most.
#3
Hang on, are you saying you get no sound in the middle position if the bridge pickup's volume knob is turned to 0? If I've understood you correctly, that normal. That's one possible way to wire two humbuckers with a 3-way switch, if you have either pickup's volume control to 0 you get no sound at all.

Do the neck pickup's volume and tone knobs work if the bridge pickup's volume isn't set to 0?
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However when I leave the switch in middle position only bridge pickup seem to work!


Does it sound the same as the bridge pickup alone? If it sounds different, then your middle position works as it should. That's really the best way to figure it out. And what Dave said is correct. It's common that if you turn one volume off, it turns both pickups off when you are in the middle position.
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Hang on, are you saying you get no sound in the middle position if the bridge pickup's volume knob is turned to 0? If I've understood you correctly, that normal. That's one possible way to wire two humbuckers with a 3-way switch, if you have either pickup's volume control to 0 you get no sound at all.


That's it ... My Ltd is wired exactly like that.. My Jackson wasn't; it had completely independent volume controls...
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Hang on, are you saying you get no sound in the middle position if the bridge pickup's volume knob is turned to 0? If I've understood you correctly, that normal. That's one possible way to wire two humbuckers with a 3-way switch, if you have either pickup's volume control to 0 you get no sound at all.

Do the neck pickup's volume and tone knobs work if the bridge pickup's volume isn't set to 0?

Hey thanks... I figured it out on my own some time ago.

Kinda weird that it works like that, thought pickups are supposed to be independent from one another in mid position.

Thanks for clarifying!
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Hang on, are you saying you get no sound in the middle position if the bridge pickup's volume knob is turned to 0? If I've understood you correctly, that normal. That's one possible way to wire two humbuckers with a 3-way switch, if you have either pickup's volume control to 0 you get no sound at all.

Do the neck pickup's volume and tone knobs work if the bridge pickup's volume isn't set to 0?



I've been wiring them wrong for years if this is the norm!
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Does it sound the same as the bridge pickup alone? If it sounds different, then your middle position works as it should. That's really the best way to figure it out. And what Dave said is correct. It's common that if you turn one volume off, it turns both pickups off when you are in the middle position.

Yea, but in the OP, he said the neck volume control at 0 doesn't shut both off.
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Hey thanks... I figured it out on my own some time ago.

Kinda weird that it works like that, thought pickups are supposed to be independent from one another in mid position.

Thanks for clarifying!


you can wire them that they're independent i think. that might (could be wrong, i'm no wiring expert) result in the volume not totally hitting zero in the mid position though when both volumes are down.

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I've been wiring them wrong for years if this is the norm!


i think you can wire them either way... i don't think either is "wrong". but historically I think it's the norm for you to get no sound in the middle position when either volume is down.
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you can wire them that they're independent i think. that might (could be wrong, i'm no wiring expert) result in the volume not totally hitting zero in the mid position though when both volumes are down.


i think you can wire them either way... i don't think either is "wrong". but historically I think it's the norm for you to get no sound in the middle position when either volume is down.


Historically you should be able to set a pickup's volume to 0 and you would still hear the other one. That's 50s wiring for 2 vol/2 tone. When I turn my neck down all the way in the middle, I can still hear my bridge pickup and vice-versa.


That's how you get nice blended tones.
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Historically you should be able to set a pickup's volume to 0 and you would still hear the other one. That's 50s wiring for 2 vol/2 tone. When I turn my neck down all the way in the middle, I can still hear my bridge pickup and vice-versa.


That's how you get nice blended tones.

Or you could rewire it like the Billy Gibbons goldtop and have no switch at all.
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Or you could rewire it like the Billy Gibbons goldtop and have no switch at all.


You could totally do that, but I like the switch
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Historically you should be able to set a pickup's volume to 0 and you would still hear the other one. That's 50s wiring for 2 vol/2 tone. When I turn my neck down all the way in the middle, I can still hear my bridge pickup and vice-versa.


That's how you get nice blended tones.


ok so not historically then. the one that gibson tends to use these days on the standard models, i guess.
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ok so not historically then. the one that gibson tends to use these days on the standard models, i guess.


Yeah well I mean they have been using that style since the early 70s IIRC so I guess you'd be partially right. It's just not the classic style wiring you would find on a 50s piece or a post 2008 historic.
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yeah absolutely. just to clarify, i wasn't being sarcastic, i totally forgot about the 50s wiring thing (or more accurately didn't realise that it also affected the middle position), so pointing that out was definitely very helpful.

so basically you can wire either way, but what's happening to nitrousable's guitar isn't actually a fault, though if it annoys him it can be changed. Is that about right?
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yeah absolutely. just to clarify, i wasn't being sarcastic, i totally forgot about the 50s wiring thing (or more accurately didn't realise that it also affected the middle position), so pointing that out was definitely very helpful.

so basically you can wire either way, but what's happening to nitrousable's guitar isn't actually a fault, though if it annoys him it can be changed. Is that about right?


Don't worry, I knew it wasn't snark.


Yeah, I would say you'd be right. If he wants it changed it's definitely possible.
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