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Utah declares pornography a public health hazard

Utah on Tuesday declared pornography a public health hazard and mandated that computer technicians who find child pornography on a computer report it to law enforcement authorities in Republican-backed moves supported by the Mormon Church.

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A 2009 study by Harvard Business School professor Benjamin Edelman showed that Utah had the highest per-capita rate of purchasing online adult-entertainment subscriptions in the United States.


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#2
I can't argue with mandating the reporting of child porn - that makes perfect sense.

I also can't argue with addressing porn like adults - it exists, 99% of adult men with access to the internet watch it, but it is also accessible by minors.

That doesn't mean it's wrong, but it means it needs context - I could certainly see how it could effect people and relationships. I grew up before the porn-explosion, that's the luck of being old. I know that sex doesn't always finish with a facial. How in Christ's name are we expecting a generation to reproduce when they don't know where the sticky stuff is meant to end up?

But seriously, I don't care.
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I can't argue with mandating the reporting of child porn - that makes perfect sense.

I also can't argue with addressing porn like adults - it exists, 99% of adult men with access to the internet watch it, but it is also accessible by minors.

That doesn't mean it's wrong, but it means it needs context - I could certainly see how it could effect people and relationships. I grew up before the porn-explosion, that's the luck of being old. I know that sex doesn't always finish with a facial. How in Christ's name are we expecting a generation to reproduce when they don't know where the sticky stuff is meant to end up?

But seriously, I don't care.



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#4
I'm not saying it guarantees a problem, but I think context isn't a bad thing. I also think that minors shouldn't be exposed to pornography.
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#5
I'm definitely okay with mandatory reporting of child porn.

Reactions across the lifespan to exposure to porn as a young person seem to be diverse. Some people seem to get really messed up about it while others develop into well-adjusted adults with healthy relationships.

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Quote by Aeolian Harmony
I'm definitely okay with mandatory reporting of child porn.

Reactions across the lifespan to exposure to porn as a young person seem to be diverse. Some people seem to get really messed up about it while others develop into well-adjusted adults with healthy relationships.



You can take the word *porn* out and insert any of the following and it's true:

*alcohol*
*tobacco*
*drugs*
*violence*

Which is why we make laws to protect our children, not to mollycoddle the ones who will be fine, but to protect the ones that won't. Being an adult means giving consent, to engage in these activities. Being a minor usually means that decision being made for you, or being unable to give consent for not understanding properly.
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"Protect the children" is a great excuse to limit what adults can do, never fails.

Requiring people to report child porn is making a witness into a liable accomplice which is a stretch to say the least, even before considering the ambiguous nature of what is considered child porn.

But yeah I mean just look at all those nations where porn is illegal, super great track records with sexual violence and all that.


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#9
Porn is a legitimate addiction

that being said, it can be consumed in moderation

and banning it doesn't do shit, because the media basically endorses sexuality to a point where it might as well be seen in a similar light as porn

it's a matter of "go big or go home" tbh because a lot of people are going to have sexual tendencies no matter what
#10
They don't want to ban it, though....?
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Quote by yoman297
Porn is a legitimate addiction

that being said, it can be consumed in moderation

and banning it doesn't do shit, because the media basically endorses sexuality to a point where it might as well be seen in a similar light as porn

it's a matter of "go big or go home" tbh because a lot of people are going to have sexual tendencies no matter what


I'd agree with the general idea that banning porn probably only buries the issue further underground. It does get the state and victims of child-porn-related activities legal recourse though. And in the case of mandatory reporting (this specific case), then hopefully it works the way it's designed to and isn't, as seanlang said, just a means to infringe on the rights of adults legally watching porn.
#12
Declaring something a "public health hazard" is the first step towards giving the state authority to regulate it, and that is dumb in and of itself because it is not a health hazard.


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Quote by Herr Rararr
How in Christ's name are we expecting a generation to reproduce when they don't know where the sticky stuff is meant to end up?

But seriously, I don't care.

perhaps that's a good thing
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Quote by seanlang01
Declaring something a "public health hazard" is the first step towards giving the state authority to regulate it, and that is dumb in and of itself because it is not a health hazard.


Yeah, that's what caught my attention initially. The wording. Though some arguments could be made that while it's not a health hazard for consumers, it could be a public health hazard due to some tenuous links between porn use and domestic violence/predatory sexual behaviors/etc.

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I fucked up and went on a tangent Herr

Quote by Aeolian Harmony
I'd agree with the general idea that banning porn probably only buries the issue further underground. It does get the state and victims of child-porn-related activities legal recourse though. And in the case of mandatory reporting (this specific case), then hopefully it works the way it's designed to and isn't, as seanlang said, just a means to infringe on the rights of adults legally watching porn.


it would be nice to see it work the way it's designed
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Quote by seanlang01
Declaring something a "public health hazard" is the first step towards giving the state authority to regulate it, and that is dumb in and of itself because it is not a health hazard.


If you start with that level of cynicism then no law can be passed, because it will lead to infringement of rights....blah blah....
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#17
public health hazard more like pubic health hazard HHAhahaLAoLAOLOaloL
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public health hazard more like pubic health hazard HHAhahaLAoLAOLOaloL


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Quote by Aeolian Harmony
Yeah, that's what caught my attention initially. The wording. Though some arguments could be made that while it's not a health hazard for consumers, it could be a public health hazard due to some tenuous links between porn use and domestic violence/predatory sexual behaviors/etc.

I dunno, "public health" is a pretty vague term, and there's absolutely no scientific link between porn consumption and sexual violence other than pervs are more likely to watch porn, which tells us people who violate other people are unashamed of also breaking social mores.


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Quote by Herr Rararr
If you start with that level of cynicism then no law can be passed, because it will lead to infringement of rights....blah blah....

That's the idea, not everyone loves the taste of boot leather like yourself.


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Quote by seanlang01
That's the idea, not everyone loves the taste of boot leather like yourself.


Pics?
#22
there is definite irony though with utah having super high porn subscriptions and stuff, considering the influence of conservative mormonism. mormonism straight up needs to reexamine how it addresses porn and sex (referred to as 'the law of chastity'). i remember growing up, my mum didn't like the way schools taught sex ed, so she somehow made sure i never had a sex ed course in public school. I ended up never having a sex ed course, ever. i never even had 'the talk' from my parents. i remember being fourteen and not knowing what circumcision was. i think i was fifteen when i found out what the word 'masturbate' meant (although i did know of the action, i just didn't know the term). most of my knowledge about sex came from crap teenage kids say when you're camping. that was definitely not a healthy way at all for me to grow up and it caused some legit problems. i guarantee there are more sheltered kids in utah and they're gonna deal with worse problems, and it is absolutely the reason why utah has such a high porn consumption. so yeah i'm all for mandated reporting of child porn. but mormonism and utah both seriously need to reassess how they teach sex ed.

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Quote by The_Blode
^ 99%? Source?


I don't have a source, I chose a number to indicate vast majority, but not all. I'm sure I can find some statistic to prove my point, I'm sure you could find statistics to prove it's a lot less. As this is an internet forum it means pedantry at the cost of missing the point is paramount, let me rephrase.

Out of the wide range of people I know, only 2 people genuinely don't view online porn at all. This concensus has been confirmed culturally by the way porn is referenced constantly now.

Now feel free to destroy this based upon the people I know, my experience and your opinions.

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Quote by seanlang01
That's the idea, not everyone loves the taste of boot leather like yourself.


And Americans wonder why their country is so fucked that there's not a single candidate who isn't certifiable or a proven pathological liar.

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Quote by seanlang01
I dunno, "public health" is a pretty vague term, and there's absolutely no scientific link between porn consumption and sexual violence other than pervs are more likely to watch porn, which tells us people who violate other people are unashamed of also breaking social mores.


"Public health" in my mind is pretty specific field related to health at the population, and overlaps with epidemiology and disease control (e.g., preventing epidemics).

"Porn as public health problem" is a fairly new idea to me. But given the area (Utah) where this legislation is, I'm also skeptical it's about health promotion. Social control is a part of this, for sure.
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Quote by Aeolian Harmony
"Public health" in my mind is pretty specific field related to health at the population, and overlaps with epidemiology and disease control (e.g., preventing epidemics).

"Porn as public health problem" is a fairly new idea to me. But given the area (Utah) where this legislation is, I'm also skeptical it's about health promotion. Social control is a part of this, for sure.


You been smoking too much - I know its 4/20, but you're sounding a little paranoid, my friend....
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Quote by Baby Joel
there is definite irony though with utah having super high porn subscriptions and stuff, considering the influence of conservative mormonism. mormonism straight up needs to reexamine how it addresses porn and sex (referred to as 'the law of chastity'). i remember growing up, my mum didn't like the way schools taught sex ed, so she somehow made sure i never had a sex ed course in public school. I ended up never having a sex ed course, ever. i never even had 'the talk' from my parents. i remember being fourteen and not knowing what circumcision was. i think i was fifteen when i found out what the word 'masturbate' meant (although i did know of the action, i just didn't know the term). most of my knowledge about sex came from crap teenage kids say when you're camping. that was definitely not a healthy way at all for me to grow up and it caused some legit problems. i guarantee there are more sheltered kids in utah and they're gonna deal with worse problems, and it is absolutely the reason why utah has such a high porn consumption. so yeah i'm all for mandated reporting of child porn. but mormonism and utah both seriously need to reassess how they teach sex ed.



quality post there
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Quote by Herr Rararr
You been smoking too much - I know its 4/20, but you're sounding a little paranoid, my friend....


I don't know. It seems like a fairly tame, middle-of-the-road examination of the interaction between Mormon culture and government.
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Quote by Aeolian Harmony
I don't know. It seems like a fairly tame, middle-of-the-road examination of the interaction between Mormon culture and government.


Fair dinkum
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That is both disturbing and transfixing...
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Quote by Aeolian Harmony
Pics?

That would be a public health hazard.


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i don't understand how an american state could make a decision about public health since they don't fund...welll... state health.

i pay a big tax on cigarettes and booze because when my liver and lungs conk out, there's a state funded surgery coming my way.

in the US you are responsible for your own health, so how does the govt purport to make decisions on behalf of the public?
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Quote by seanlang01
I dunno, "public health" is a pretty vague term, and there's absolutely no scientific link between porn consumption and sexual violence other than pervs are more likely to watch porn, which tells us people who violate other people are unashamed of also breaking social mores.

Public health isn't vague. It's a broad, but it is well defined.
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I don't know about Utah state law, but in many states (including my home state, GA) there are some government-funded health programs that pay for things like vaccinations if you're uninsured or your insurance company doesn't cover it. But yeah, government programs are mostly funded through the federal government and not at the state level.

@sixgunsound
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Quote by Aeolian Harmony
I don't know about Utah state law, but in many states (including my home state, GA) there are some government-funded health programs that pay for things like vaccinations if you're uninsured or your insurance company doesn't cover it. But yeah, government programs are mostly funded through the federal government and not at the state level.

@sixgunsound


wild. i couldnt imagine the struggle of determining what is or isn't covered while i'm at a doctor. i'm just like "give me the shot you bastard" and walk out.
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It's awful for a lot of general practitioners. It's not uncommon for staff to be hired by clinics/hospitals/private practices solely to sort out insurance paperwork.
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