#1
I want to hear your thoughts on this.

I talked to the guys in the computer thread a few weeks ago about my job hunt situation (thanks blode, xiaoxi, damien), but I figured I'd make my own thread for this.

For the past 4 years or so I haven't really been working - doing some computer work for my mom, some neighbors and acquaintances. I've always been good with computers and such, recently went and got the comptia A+ certification and have been job hunting for a couple of months now.

Saturday I saw a job listing online for a company that does hardware installs for pharmacies all over the US and trains the pharmacists on how to use the software. Great benefits, I'm sure the pay is better than anything else I could do right now. I got a call today. There's no guarantee that I'll get the job if I go for it, they'll have to evaluate my skills, but it's looking good.

The thing I'm unsure about is the travel. I'd be traveling for up to 40 weeks out of the year, but I'd still be coming home on weekends. Travel monday, work tuesday to thrusday, come home friday. I was up for it, but they said that it wouldn't be worth it for them or me unless I was prepared to work with them for at least 3 years because there's a 6 month training period and it would be up to a year before I'd be comfortable with everything and start flying out to places with no supervision. At first I was thinking that I could at least try it out and if after 6 months or so I was sick of the traveling I could back out, but with them saying they'd want me to stay on for 3 years I'm not so sure. If I end up liking the job I'd be happy to stay on that long, it's the implication of not being able to back out that has me worried. They didn't mention a contract, so I don't know if there's actually any obligation to stay that long, but that was the implication.

I've never traveled much, only ever flown once. The one time I flew somewhere I was exhausted afterwards, but I guess after doing it for a while I'd get used to it. I've been wanting to get my own place, which is one of the reasons I've really been trying to get a job, so this is a chance to sorta live away from home (staying in hotels for most of the week) and save up some money. I don't have a wife, girlfriend, kids, or anything really holding me down.

It'll just be such a huge change. That's what's got me so unsure about it. In a way a big change like that could be exactly what I need, but on the other hand it's like jumping into the deep end without knowing how to swim. I'm excited about it, but scared of it at the same time.


They told me to think about it for a few days and let them know. Said they're always looking for people for this position so there's no rush. I'm going to do a lot of thinking about it and talk to friends and family, but I'd like to get some feedback from you guys as well.
#3
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Well, if they're always looking for people for the position, that might imply a high turnover in the role.
Yes... this part is a bit concerning.

Ask them what kind of technical training they will provide. If they're training on things that are applicable to other jobs, then it may be worth it. If it's very specific to that field, it would not be so attractive and you'd just reach a dead end.

If they are reimbursing for travel expenses, you can pretty much get away with not needing to have a place of your own during this time, in which case you can save a lot of money. Get the terms of per diems, etc, clarified.

Read over the contract carefully, but at the end of the day if you quit they can't really stop you. At the very least you could be so crappy at your job that they have no choice but to fire you.

Regardless, take the opportunity to interview with them.

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Yes... this part is a bit concerning.

Ask them what kind of technical training they will provide. If they're training on things that are applicable to other jobs, then it may be worth it. If it's very specific to that field, it would not be so attractive and you'd just reach a dead end.

If they are reimbursing for travel expenses, you can pretty much get away with not needing to have a place of your own during this time, in which case you can save a lot of money. Get the terms of per diems, etc, clarified.

Read over the contract carefully, but at the end of the day if you quit they can't really stop you. At the very least you could be so crappy at your job that they have no choice but to fire you.

Regardless, take the opportunity to interview with them.
This too. Interview technique is important, so even if you don't take the job, a bit of practice can only help for the next one.
#5
I love traveling, so I would probably do it, but it's definitely tiring to move around that much. No doubt about it. But it also gets easier to do as you do it more often (navigating security points and terminals becomes second nature), so I would think you'd get used to it.

You definitely need to be okay with being unable to make plans on weekdays though.

Should also ask about vacation time and even frequent flier miles. If you can sign up for one/a few of those, give them your number for it, and then get the miles for every flight, that could mean some pretty neat free flights to damn near anywhere in the world (provided you're not sick of flying when you take a vacation from work).
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Well, if they're always looking for people for the position, that might imply a high turnover in the role.


Well, I looked into the company and it looks like they've been around for less than 10 years and they're expanding a lot, so that could explain it.

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Ask them what kind of technical training they will provide. If they're training on things that are applicable to other jobs, then it may be worth it. If it's very specific to that field, it would not be so attractive and you'd just reach a dead end.


That's a good point. I saw another position at their company that was more on the service/support side that mentioned SQL experience as being preferred but not required. I don't know if this job will have anything to do with that, but if there's any training for working with servers and SQL that would be great.

If they are reimbursing for travel expenses, you can pretty much get away with not needing to have a place of your own during this time, in which case you can save a lot of money. Get the terms of per diems, etc, clarified.

Read over the contract carefully, but at the end of the day if you quit they can't really stop you. At the very least you could be so crappy at your job that they have no choice but to fire you.

Regardless, take the opportunity to interview with them.


Yea, I guess if I want to get out it's not like they can stop me. And I live with my parents still, so I don't have to worry about any bills and such, so I should be able to save up quite a lot until I ready to find my own place.

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I love traveling, so I would probably do it, but it's definitely tiring to move around that much. No doubt about it. But it also gets easier to do as you do it more often (navigating security points and terminals becomes second nature), so I would think you'd get used to it.

You definitely need to be okay with being unable to make plans on weekdays though.

Should also ask about vacation time and even frequent flier miles. If you can sign up for one/a few of those, give them your number for it, and then get the miles for every flight, that could mean some pretty neat free flights to damn near anywhere in the world (provided you're not sick of flying when you take a vacation from work).


The traveling thing is what I'm worried about, but that's also the cool thing about the job. I'm not so worried about not being able to make plans on weekdays, I'm just worried that I'll be tired and worn out all the time, but I guess I'd get used to it after a while.


Thanks everybody. I've been exchanging emails with some friends as well and between them and you guys I'm feeling more sure of myself. I think I'll give them a call tomorrow and set up the interview and such.
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Well, I looked into the company and it looks like they've been around for less than 10 years and they're expanding a lot, so that could explain it.


That's a good point. I saw another position at their company that was more on the service/support side that mentioned SQL experience as being preferred but not required. I don't know if this job will have anything to do with that, but if there's any training for working with servers and SQL that would be great.


Yea, I guess if I want to get out it's not like they can stop me. And I live with my parents still, so I don't have to worry about any bills and such, so I should be able to save up quite a lot until I ready to find my own place.


The traveling thing is what I'm worried about, but that's also the cool thing about the job. I'm not so worried about not being able to make plans on weekdays, I'm just worried that I'll be tired and worn out all the time, but I guess I'd get used to it after a while.


Thanks everybody. I've been exchanging emails with some friends as well and between them and you guys I'm feeling more sure of myself. I think I'll give them a call tomorrow and set up the interview and such.

One thing to consider is if you are travelling a lot, one way to take up some of your spare time could be to start learning new skills. I can't really give opinions on the relative quality of the MOOCs that are available, but a lot of them are still fairly cheap(if you want some form of certificate that may or may not be worth the paper it's printed on, if it is actually printed at all), or even free.
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That's a good point. I saw another position at their company that was more on the service/support side that mentioned SQL experience as being preferred but not required. I don't know if this job will have anything to do with that, but if there's any training for working with servers and SQL that would be great.

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Speaking to this -

SQL is a baseline query language. It uses a lot of common syntax and becomes as complicated as the coder desires it to be. You can do some "programming in a sandbox" tool creation with it - but once you grab the concepts of what you can do with it - you'll be good to go. W3 schools was where my position suggested I review before sitting down for their informal training on it.

Ultimately - understanding the structure of the data tables and how they're all linked is the hard part. The language isn't bad. You likely could claim proficiency in this by reviewing the w3 schools tutorials about what you can do with SQL, and setting up your own PHP/SQL style web board.
#9
I've never liked locked in contracts, and backing out will likely cause a bit of backlash from them - they might try to blackball you and stuff like that. I've experienced it.

But then again, I like more freedom in my life. Like if my band wants to tour or do a gig at the drop of a hat, I can be there. But being locked in with contracts and stuff, I just don't like it. You can pay for my services but you can't own me.
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Yea, I knew it was like a programming language for databases and such, but that's about it. Seems like something that would be great for future job prospects.

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I've never liked locked in contracts, and backing out will likely cause a bit of backlash from them - they might try to blackball you and stuff like that. I've experienced it.

But then again, I like more freedom in my life. Like if my band wants to tour or do a gig at the drop of a hat, I can be there. But being locked in with contracts and stuff, I just don't like it. You can pay for my services but you can't own me.


a couple of years ago when my band was going strong I would've been less likely to consider it, but now I don't really have anything like that. And I don't know for sure if there's a contract or what it entails. I'll have to find out during the interview.