#1
I bought a few boutique amp in a box type pedals last month and to be honest they sound like crap.

These pedals are top rated, expensive, get amazing reviews and obviously sound wonderful on youtube.

They just sound way to fuzzy on the lower strings.

I've tried them with two different tube amps, three different guitars and all kinds of settings.

The only time I get a good tone is when I turn the off!

Ever happen to you?
#2
well you'd have to be way more specific in what pedals you are talking about. there is a chance that it is user error and not the pedals. tone suck usually refers to a loss of highs when the pedal is switched off so not the same as what you are talking about. just because a pedal is boutique doesn't automatically make it good or right for all players.

have i gotten pedals and been disappointed sure. these days i make a big effort to try before i buy and make sure i use a similar setup to my own to judge pedals.
#3
You just might to have an unrealistic expectation of what they would sound like.

Any pedal/amp/software is going to sound different on lower tuned strings compared to higher tuned ones. Besides, nowadays 'boutique' could mean pretty much anything.

The quest for 'tone' is going to be a a long one for most of us, and it's a road of errors and learning from them.
#4
I wouldn't complain if it would sound 80% like the tubes... But it's almost like I have different pedals. They sound 0% like I expected.

It's like I ordered a cappuccino and got lemonade....
#5
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Quote by guitarboyled
I bought a few boutique amp in a box type pedals last month and to be honest they sound like crap.

well you'd have to be way more specific in what pedals you are talking about. there is a chance that it is user error and not the pedals. tone suck usually refers to a loss of highs when the pedal is switched off so not the same as what you are talking about.

In addition to monwobobbo's question, what amp are you playing through? Some pedals don't work well with certain amps.
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Apr 26, 2016,
#6
Quote by dannyalcatraz
In addition to monwobobbo's question, what amp are you playing through? Some pedals don't work well with certain amps.


One is the RAH

I've read multiple reviews, I guess I'm not the only one not loving it.

On the high strings I barely notice it's on and on the low strings (especially when playing chords) I get a woofy farty fuzz...

I must say things improve when I crank up the volume!

I have a Marshall SL5 and a Peavey Classic 30

Les Paul with Classic 57, SG with Burstbuckers and a Strat
Last edited by guitarboyled at Apr 26, 2016,
#7
Can't expect to love every pedal. Even expensive ones can't overcome a difference in taste

I sold my RAH but I thought it was a decent pedal. You started out saying the pedals had amazing reviews and now that you have another opinion you've magically found some reviews that don't love it. Sounds like the tyranny of reality has struck again.
#8
Quote by Roc8995
Can't expect to love every pedal. Even expensive ones can't overcome a difference in taste

I sold my RAH but I thought it was a decent pedal. You started out saying the pedals had amazing reviews and now that you have another opinion you've magically found some reviews that don't love it. Sounds like the tyranny of reality has struck again.


I bought it after watching the corporate video like most of us...

Found this less convincing add :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJQ9WjZlfaE

Before you buy pedals... find the crappiest demo on youtube and know that it's probably gonna sound that way once you plug it in!
#9
perhaps you just haven't spent enough time working with your gear to get the sound you wanted. many guys just plug pedals in and get pissed when the tone of the gods doesn't just come out of the speakers immediately. perhaps your standard amp settings don't jive well with the pedals eq curve etc. keep in mind that the company demo is done under ideal circumstances which may not reflect your own.
#10
+1 to that.

Part of the reason I have so many and such various pedals is that some pedals work well only in certain ranges of settings. If you have a chorus that works with your standard settings and buy a fuzz that likes more treble than that, they may not play well together. You might need a chorus that likes more treble, or a fuzz that needs it less.

...which is one reason why some makers are including EQ controls on increasing numbers of their products.
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#11
Quote by guitarboyled


Before you buy pedals... find the crappiest demo on youtube and know that it's probably gonna sound that way once you plug it in!

Why? I don't find that to be true any more often than pedals sounding like the best examples on YouTube. I think the moral is to take clips with a grain of salt.

I get that you're disappointed but I don't feel like you're drawing reasonable conclusions from this experience. Manage your expectations differently and you won't have this wild swing in perception with every pedal you buy.
#12
Quote by Roc8995
Why? I don't find that to be true any more often than pedals sounding like the best examples on YouTube. I think the moral is to take clips with a grain of salt.

Some of my favorite demonstrators tend to show the settings they are using at any particular moment. They also tell you what gear they're using. And you really have to factor those things in.

If the guy in the demo is using a USA standard Strat and a Fender Hot Rod, odds are good that you won't get similar tones on the same settings with an LTD with EMGs through a Line 6 Spyder.

And you almost never see how much time the demonstrator took dialing in his tone. Some pedals are easier to deal with than others. My WMD Geiger Counter would be virtually unusable without its wave shape chart, but my Krank Distortus Maximus is simple as pie.
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Apr 26, 2016,
#13
I love channels that use a dual camera setup where you can see the face of the pedal. So much easier to understand the adjustment range and capabilities.
#14
Quote by Roc8995
I love channels that use a dual camera setup where you can see the face of the pedal. So much easier to understand the adjustment range and capabilities.

Yep! Yep!

I found that a lot of the ones people recommended in my thread earlier this month share that quality.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1699938
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#15
never buy a pedal because the hype says it is an awesome pedal... check the demo out and if you're able to try it out at the store, then you will get a more personal feel whether it compliments your playing style.

I own quite a few pedals, but prefer reverb and delays. so i have a few of those but not the boutique expensive.. just something that enhances... you also need a good clean combo amp with usable lead channel + OD + Distortion.
I have Washburn guitars 'Maverick Series' and bass 'Bantam Series' and a few pedals and amps, but man I wish to have more patience and drive practicing my playing, if it's equal to the modding itch, then I'm golden.
#16
Why have you not told us what pedals you purchased yet?

We are worthless if we don't know what you have.
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#17
I'm no specialist but it seems to me a lot of these new boutique designers are integrating a fuzz circuitry in their overdrive pedals. And I guess fuzz simply sounds like crap to my ears. Perhaps I haven't tamed the beast yet but all fuzz pedals make my amps sound like they need a speaker replacement.

I've tried every EQ and volume adjustment

They do improve when you play at stadium level inside the house but it would be nice to go deaf

When positioned in the effects loop I lose the farting rattling fuzz on the lower strings but I also lose most of the overall bit and crunch.

It shouldn't be this complicated... My Rothwell Hellbender just sounds amazing in every settings. I don't have to magically find that one in a million setting that's gonna make sound ok.
Last edited by guitarboyled at Apr 27, 2016,
#18
Ok. What pedals do you have.
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#19
Quote by guitarboyled
I'm no specialist but it seems to me a lot of these new boutique designers are integrating a fuzz circuitry in their overdrive pedals. And I guess fuzz simply sounds like crap to my ears. Perhaps I haven't tamed the beast yet but all fuzz pedals make my amps sound like they need a speaker replacement.

I've tried every EQ and volume adjustment

They do improve when you play at stadium level inside the house but it would be nice to go deaf

When positioned in the effects loop I lose the farting rattling fuzz on the lower strings but I also lose most of the overall bit and crunch.

It shouldn't be this complicated... My Rothwell Hellbender just sounds amazing in every settings. I don't have to magically find that one in a million setting that's gonna make sound ok.


For a lot of electronics and mechanical items, an increase in price also means an increase in complexity and specialisation as well as an increase in quality.

In the guitar pedal world, we are partially shielded from this reality but not immune to it.

Try before you buy becomes doubly applicable when you start spending serious cash.

Also as a side note, isn't the RAH something like 160$? Not cheap, for sure but I wouldn't exactly call it boutique... It's barely more expensive than a tube screamer
#20
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I'm no specialist but it seems to me a lot of these new boutique designers are integrating a fuzz circuitry in their overdrive pedals.

No, they're not. You just don't like this pedal. Stop inventing excuses.
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It shouldn't be this complicated... My Rothwell Hellbender just sounds amazing in every settings. I don't have to magically find that one in a million setting that's gonna make sound ok.

It's not that complicated. Not every pedal is going to cater to your specific needs.

It sounds like you haven't played that many pedals. You're going to get some ones that just don't work well for your ears or your setup, and I'm not sure that continuing to pile on complaints about not getting what you want (and why it's the designer's fault, or some sort of conspiracy by boutique pedalmakers) is going to help. Sell the pedals and move on.
#21
I will say that I bought pedals that I heard in demos and sounded amazing, but when I get them, they don't work for me. I don't know until I try (like anything in gear) with my guitar & my amp on a gig or 2. I sell more than I keep.
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